The rockets return

It’s not often I’m left speechless.

***Updates below***

But I’m watching something at the moment that is literally leaving me speechless.

I started at the beginning of this 8 (!) hour documentary called ‘What on Earth Happened?’, recommended by one of the commentators on a previous post.

As always, I don’t agree with everything, and everything needs very careful birur and double-checking 50 million times, as the lies are everywhere.

But he makes a very compelling case that what we think of as ‘space’ is a total hoax, deliberately created to discredit the account of the creation of the world we find in the Torah.

Just let that sink in for a moment.

I know it’s huge.

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If you want to watch the whole thing from the beginning, feel free.

It’s not shmirat eynayim friendly, and the part about the satanic pedophiles running the planet is just about as disturbing as it gets, although sadly also very compelling, in terms of the sheer weight of evidence.

But if you just want to dive into the space stuff – start here:

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And for once, I’m not going to set out what it is you’re going to discover.

Just watch, keep an open mind, and come to your own conclusions.

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UPDATE:

I’m posting this comment from Shimshon here. He makes a lot of good points very succinctly:

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The sin qua non of Amalek is to sow doubt. Doubt about the Creator. Doubt about the Creation.

And if you believe in the Creator and Creation, doubt about Hashem’s active role in His handiwork, to this very moment (“sure, Hashem created the world, but it was billions of years ago and He’s a blind watchmaker”). We don’t really know who specifically is doing this, but it is being done. There are not many who are in control, but many who know, and mock us incessantly.

The earth really, truly, is exactly as is described in Maaseh Breishis.

Earth is the center of the world and man is the pinnacle of creation. It is a literal description of the process and what was created. It is not metaphor a la Gerald Schroeder and Genesis and the Big Bang. The earth is not a big ball of dirt hurtling through space.

There is no space. There is a real barrier above and around us. We call it the rakia. They call it the firmament.

It holds back the waters above.

There is no edge, for the unimaginative among us who are more interested in mocking than learning. The luminaries are aptly named, as they are lights, all of them. They are not big balls of gas or dirt.

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Beyond that, there is evidence for all of the following, which is also mentioned in the Talmud.

The earth is flat. Before the flood, the earth was also free of significant geographical features. There were no mountains or valleys. Giant flora and fauna were everywhere. Giant humans or human-like creatures existed.

Having studied this stuff pretty thoroughly for close to two years now, for those interested, I can answer some questions and provide tips for piercing through the massive censorship perpetrated by the likes of Google and Youtube.

Who am I? No one, of course.

But unlike all of you (this is a pretty good bet), I actually worked on the space program years ago.

There is a conspiracy, bigger than the scamdemic. Y

ou could call it one vast conspiracy to rule them all and in the darkness bind them. It only a takes a few powerful and wealthy people to actually pull off such a thing. No one knows. No one really needs to.

Well, the astro-nots obviously know, as they are just actors.

Consider this, and this is documented.

By 1965, that is, only a few years after the US manned space program got started, simulation for missions was already so realistic that unless you were informed otherwise, it was literally impossible to tell the real thing from training, even if you were in the control room deeply plugged into the mission.

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As long term readers know, I spent a LONG time researching comets, and volcanoes, and trying to unpick the truth from the lies about our natural world.

I thought I’d already figured out most of what was going on, but I have to say I WAS WRONG ABOUT THAT!!!

Totally wrong about that.

The Rav, Rabbi Berland, and Rabbenu, Rebbe Nachman, have both mentioned things that bear directly on what this video, above, and what Shimshon’s comments are saying.

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I’m going to take a couple of days to get my ducks in a row, and really digest all this new info, then we’ll start to see how everything is connected.

And believe it or not, I’m finally seeing a light at the end of this very dark tunnel, even though they are planning to lock us down again here, beginning after Tisha B’av.

We just need a critical mass of people, and especially of sincere Jews, to see what’s going on here, and to start to acknowledge the truth, and to really get behind the Rav and just to keep praying – and all the plans for evil fall apart.

All of them.

So hang on!

And keep reciting your Tikkun Haklalis and your Pirchey Nivarchim.

They are literally changing everything.

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48 replies
  1. Hava
    Hava says:

    So how do you explain the different views of things between the Northern Hemisphere and the Southern Hemisphere? That water flows down a drain in the opposite direction, that the seasons are opposite, that airplanes can fly around the world, that faster routes can be attained if one comes close to or crosses the poles (for instance, between NYC and Tel Aviv), and if I wanted to, I could probably find other examples?

    And why didn’t water spray all over the rocket in the first part of that video, falling on the camera, when it bumped into the firmament? How come the rocket didn’t just blow up?

    And what really happened to Beresheet, the rocket Israel sent up to the moon two or three years ago? Here’s a search on DDG: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=beresheet+spacecraft&ia=web

    In addition: Video can be faked so easily nowadays, anything can be promulgated and promoted, and it’s hard to trust it any more, no matter what the argument. I feel like crawling into a hole and staying there until Mashiah is revealed.

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      Maybe watch the rest of the documentary first, and then we can discuss.

      He covers A LOT of ground that would make a lot of things start to make more sense.

      And I hear you, about crawling into the hole. Maybe that’s why we are probably going into another lockdown here soon… the ‘hole’ we stay in until Moshiach is revealed.

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  2. Shimshon
    Shimshon says:

    I’ve watched the entire 8 hours of this video, along with 5 more hours in its companion.

    At this point in time, Tammuz 5781, very little of this is new to me.

    The sin qua non of Amalek is to sow doubt. Doubt about the Creator. Doubt about the Creation. And if you believe in the Creator and Creation, doubt about Hashem’s active role in His handiwork, to this very moment (“sure, Hashem created the world, but it was billions of years ago and He’s a blind watchmaker”). We don’t really know who specifically is doing this, but it is being done. There are not many who are in control, but many who know, and mock us incessantly.

    The earth really, truly, is exactly as is described in Maaseh Breishis. Earth is the center of the world and man is the pinnacle of creation. It is a literal description of the process and what was created. It is not metaphor a la Gerald Schroeder and Genesis and the Big Bang. The earth is not a big ball of dirt hurtling through space. There is no space. There is a real barrier above and around us. We call it the rakia. They call it the firmament. It holds back the waters above. There is no edge, for the unimaginative among us who are more interested in mocking than learning. The luminaries are aptly named, as they are lights, all of them. They are not big balls of gas or dirt.

    Beyond that, there is evidence for all of the following, which is also mentioned in the Talmud. The earth is flat. Before the flood, the earth was also free of significant geographical features. There were no mountains or valleys. Giant flora and fauna were everywhere. Giant humans or human-like creatures existed.

    Having studied this stuff pretty thoroughly for close to two years now, for those interested, I can answer some questions and provide tips for piercing through the massive censorship perpetrated by the likes of Google and Youtube.

    Who am I? No one, of course. But unlike all of you (this is a pretty good bet), I actually worked on the space program years ago. There is a conspiracy, bigger than the scamdemic. You could call it one vast conspiracy to rule them all and in the darkness bind them. It only a takes a few powerful and wealthy people to actually pull off such a thing. No one knows. No one really needs to. Well, the astro-nots obviously know, as they are just actors. Consider this, and this is documented. By 1965, that is, only a few years after the US manned space program got started, simulation for missions was already so realistic that unless you were informed otherwise, it was literally impossible to tell the real thing from training, even if you were in the control room deeply plugged into the mission.

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      I’m sticking your comment up as an ‘update’ underneath the post. Thanks for summing up so many important points so neatly.

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    • Adelle
      Adelle says:

      correct me if I’m wrong but do chaza”l have a word for planets? aren’t they all called kochavim? I remember being confused the first time I heard shabtai (saturn) referred to in hebrew as a kochav. but once I learned that planet just means “wandering star” that made sense since these luminaries are described as going “retrograde”. kochav yaakov is another one of these “wild card” stars. the psukim describe two great lights a greater light and a lesser light and stars. period. earth can’t be a planet as aretz is not a star it’s aretz and the sun, moon and stars are all within the dome of the rakia.

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  3. alizah Teitelbaum
    alizah Teitelbaum says:

    bs”d Hi Rivka! I was watching the space video, and sometime after he showed the similar models for the flat earth under a dome, Microsoft starts sending pages of its “help for windows 10” and when I return the video doesn’t work. Has anyone experienced this?

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  4. nechama
    nechama says:

    Dear Rivky: Ain Od Milvado. Trust in Hashem (not the Plan), increase your Bitachon. In the end days Emes will be impossible to find. But B”H we should be very b’simcha to know that Hashem has created Gan Eden just for us, His Children. Hang in there and don’t get confused. This world is infinitely beautiful and I’m so delighted to have toured all over the Land (when we finally moved here in 2010), as much as I could to behold (and feel) the magnificence of His Creation. I was delirious with joy everywhere I went, High as a Kite in the Sky. Now I’m more down to earth.

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    • nonee
      nonee says:

      Just read your comment Nechama. I have no idea if this will be posted. Whatever it will be Hashems’ will. Amen.

      I felt hurt as a non Jew when I read this in your comment: ‘know that Hashem has created Gan Eden just for us, His Children.’

      This thinking from many Jewish people i have read and ‘heard’ on shiurs from some Rabbis.

      I have love the Jewish people fro way back when i was a young teen. I am just an ordinary human being, created by Gd. Yes, H-s creation. Why do some of you classify non Jews as though we are nothing?? One Rabbi also said, that only Jews are real people, the rest were created by Hashem to be “Donkeys’ to serve the Jews, like servants to clean your streets and bathrooms and all the things you Chosen would never have to do again.

      You all cry out wait for Mashiach to come… Many years back to some predicted (which some still do among Jews) that he is coming this year. Perhaps if you all stopped predicting, perhaps if you all stopped saying how bad non Jews are, and yes i am aware there are a lot of ‘bad’ evil people everywhere. Among Jews too and non-Jews.
      I am not anything, i do not see myself as ‘good’ no one is good or perfect.. Only Hashem is.

      You all as i learned were chosen – yes chosen by Hashem to show the rest of us the way of Hashem to lead us to His right path. Many do not do so. Many of the chosen place temselves in that high position thinking: we are Chosen, the world was created only for us. I have been hurt many times reading things. I have taken these hurts to Gd, and Gd has answered me, a non jew and in your eyes just a nothing.. How Gd answers me, no not directly, i hear something, or read something, and there i realize, my question was answered.
      During this time when i read things like you wrote such sadness and pain comes into me. I am crying now, real tears, as i type. I read this blog, i follow others too.
      This may not be published. Whatever, its up to the dear person whom i see as very special the owner of this blog.
      I shall go talk to Hashem… i talk to H-m all the time… i will ask H-m once and for all to let me know if i mean nothing to H-m, i shall await Gd’s answer.
      I wish you all good. You are hurting and scared, there are others like me too, non jews who are hurting.
      Gd bless you and all who are trying to hold on to the Creator during these hateful, hurtful and evil times.
      amen.
      nonee

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      • Rivka Levy
        Rivka Levy says:

        Nonee, we’ve discussed this many times before. Judaism has a place for every single person on the planet, Jew and non-Jew alike.

        Non-Jews who keep the 7 noachide commandments have a share in the world to come.

        And in addition to this, Rav Berland has been hinting for years that the process of geula will include some sort of mass ‘conversion’ event.

        I won’t say more than that, because I don’t no more than that.

        But the point is, God loves every single one of His creations.

        And at the same time, Jews have a specific role – or really a specific responsibility – they need to be fulfilling to get the world to that place of having more knowledge of God.

        As you yourself said, many of us are not fulfilling that responsibility, and there will be some serious consequences, as a result.

        But please try very hard to not take things like this so personally. We Jews are in a lot of trouble at the moment, spiritually and physically.

        We need to give ourselves pep talks, also in open forums like this, because our MSM has also been totally compromised, and the few of us who have our eyes open are trying to support each other online, across vast geographical distances.

        It’s not reasonable to expect commentators to have to keep tailoring their ‘pep talks’ to their fellow Jews so carefully, to avoid upsetting the righteous non-Jews who are also reading this blog.

        When people say things that are out of line, also against non-Jews, I am the first person to highlight that.

        But I think in this instance, you are very possibly over-reacting.

        I know it’s hard for you too, and hard for a lot of the non-Jewish readers who may well feel even more lonely and alone in this process.

        But hang on, Nonee!

        Dawn is coming soon.

        And nothing can stop it.

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        • nonee
          nonee says:

          Thank Y-u Hashem. I was miserable all day since i wrote that. I was miserable as i did not know anymore if Gd really cared for me. I have stood up for His chosen and still do. I also stand up for others who are non Jews when i see things – hurtful things being done to them.
          I apologize now to Nechama. If she forgives or not i do not know.

          All i feel is now that Hashem answered me, via you Rivka.
          Ask you too to forgive me.

          Lots of things going on here in my life.. doing what i can, teshuva, may Gd forgive me.. trying to hold on i am.. today i felt i was slipping slipping – losing my hold on that rope.. the rope to Gd.
          You saved me. May Hashem bless you and yours.

          Yes. i have to learn not to take things personally. Many have told me that. too oversensitive, and more. Need to change .. will try again..
          Hashem keep you safe and your family too.

          and all of Am israel, and all good peoples of the world. Please Hashem.
          May i learn to behave.. amen.
          nonee

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      • nechama
        nechama says:

        dear nonee, Hashem created all and everyone on earth and our home which is Gan Eden. I meant nothing more than that. His children are ALL those who love HIM and are devoted to HIM. Please forgive me if you were slighted.

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        • nonee
          nonee says:

          Dear Nechama,

          It is i who apologize to you. Rivka explained. I have lots to learn.
          Please forgive me, though i feel you have. Hashem bless you – Amen.

          To other readers who might have read my reply in comment to Nechama, i also apologize. I am learning.

          Am Israel Chai.

          nonee

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  5. nechama
    nechama says:

    When I was very young (ahem) and lived in Philadelphia, there was the Franklin Institute (named after Benjamin Franklin), and therein was a special round theatre room where people would sit in special seats surrounding a HUGE SOMETHING which would cast on the ROUND DOME of the room the night sky with all the planets, stars, milky ways, etc. One would lean back in TOTAL BLACKNESS and peer upwards at this DOME that gave you the impression that you were floating in the atmosphere going from constellation to constellation and planet to planet. This HUGE thing rotated the objects in the skies above while we sat in total blackness. This video reminded me of that “star-gazing” dome that positioned all that exists in the skies, and there they were positioned like a map of the skies. That is what this video in Part 8 is describing. That Planetary Experience was/is what the voice in the video was leading viewers to believe. I would tend to believe our exemplary Torah Zaddikim who thru the ages have studied the Kabbala and were experts in ‘outer space’ and our universe, and to find out/read what they had to say. Regardless, Ain Od Milvado….Bitachon……Moshiach. Have a delicious Shabbos (our taste of Olam Haba).

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  6. Hava
    Hava says:

    Oh, and by the way…the earth doesn’t have to be flat with a dome on top to have a firmament of water around it, does it? Why not a round-ish doughnut-like spherical shape with the water being the outside of the doughnut and the land-and-air part being the center?

    A prophecy…Yishayah (Isaiah) 40:22…says the earth is a SPHERE. Not a circle and not a disc. In HEBREW. I typed it below with pronunciation and translation (Artscroll); sorry, no nikud.
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    הישב על-חוג הארץ וישביה כחגבים הנוטה כדק שמים וימתחם כאהל לשבת…

    Hayoshév al khug haáretz v’yoshvéya kakhagavím hanotéh chadók shamáyim vayimateykhém ka’óhel lashávet…

    It is He who sits on the circumference of the earth, with its inhabitants like grasshoppers; Who spreads the heavens like a thin curtain, and stretches them like a tent to dwell in…

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    The operative word here is חוג, khug, the word in Hebrew. Not עיגול, eegul, which means circle. Morfix defines חוג in this context: “(geography) tropic, sphere.” https://www.morfix.co.il/חוג

    Usually we think of a circle of people around a topic when we think of a khug (or a chug as many people I know usually spell it). Thus, I was surprised to find it in a place I didn’t expect.
    I hope this works. In any case,thank you for promoting argument for the sake of Shamayim.

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      That’s an interesting point, thank you Hava.

      I also want to try and hunt down more of what our Gemara and sources actually say, to start to get more of a view of what’s going on here.

      We’ve spent so long trying to ‘contort’ our Tanach to fit the corrupt, nonsensical, ‘scientific’ view of things, I feel I need to go back to basics and reread everything form scratch again.

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    • Shimshon
      Shimshon says:

      Hava, that posuk says no such thing (about the earth being a sphere). Whatever that word is, first, it can apply to both a sphere and circle (regardless of some example of usage), and second, it actually makes more sense on a circle (or disk).

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      • Hava
        Hava says:

        Shimshon, where did you learn your definitions?

        Are you a native Hebrew speaker? (I’m not, and never said I was.)

        Is there a site or a book where the older definitions apply, alongside or other than modern Hebrew? Something that would make sense to the prophets of old and that the rest of us would comprehend.

        And kindly remember that there is no “olam” in the verse I quoted, only “aretz.” So how do you know that “khug” only and always means circle when it comes to geography?

        You should know that the Christians agree with you about the circle of the earth. Not necessarily that it’s flat, though.

        I’m only asking for help in understanding how the many phenomena I asked about above (and more) can occur within a flat-earth paradigm, or how there could be an alternative (like a spherical rakia) that can fit the Biblical description, as opposed to what we learned in school.

        Many thanks.

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        • Shimshon
          Shimshon says:

          I apologize. I must’ve missed where it says aretz, or got confused with others commenting that the earth is described like a ball (where it really says world, not earth).

          Regarding what you wrote, I only said that the use of the word in context makes more sense on a flat circle rather than a globe, even if it can apply to both.

          The reason the Christians agree with us on this is because all ancient cosmologies were basically similar in terms of an upper realm, a lower realm, and the earth. There’s a reason for this. The pagans obviously infused their beliefs with all sorts of sheker, but it doesn’t changed the fact that there was a commonality in how the world was viewed.

          Some people have instilled in us a belief that these beliefs were all, every last one of them, primitive, wrong, with no merit whatsoever. While at the same time concocting very elaborate stories about belief in a globe earth also being of ancient origin. It isn’t. There is now testimony evidence that flat earth was taught in public schools into the 1930s. One day a globe showed up in classrooms, and that was it.

          The problem in explaining verbally how things may work or actually work (depending on the topic discussed) is the visual element is missing, and lack of it on a subject that has all sorts of false explanations wrapped around a false explanation of what we see makes it hard to get points across.

          One example may suffice. When it comes to sunsets, the impression one gets is that the sun does indeed set. As mentioned in another comment, when you zoom in, the sun will pop right back into view.

          On days where the air is unusually clear, and the view is unobstructed (like over the ocean), when you zoom in enough, eventually, the sun stops setting entirely, and the full disk just sits there, completely visible, and, finally, just fades out, as the sun gets far enough away that its light can no longer penetrate however much air is between it and you.

          There are videos of this effect online. To see it is very powerful. A potent demonstration of how the world really works versus how they say it does (backed by many billions of dollars to maintain the illusion). To read my description, not so much.

          There are also videos of sunsets at very high altitude with very thin and clear air in places like Afghanistan. And the effect is just as obvious without zooming in. The sun is moving above and away from us as it “sets”. The lack of distortion in the air makes it impossible to claim otherwise.

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      • Rivka Levy
        Rivka Levy says:

        He explains that in one of the previous episodes. I think I will probably have to watch the whole thing again, and this time take notes, to try to ‘bring down’ as simply as possible the main points into writing.

        And then, we need to compare and contrast with what our Torah actually teaches us, to do the birur properly.

        BH, it’s quite a project!

        One thing I can already tell you, though, is that the very foundations of modern science are built on outright lies.

        Once we get that…. it’s going to get very interesting.

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          • Rivka Levy
            Rivka Levy says:

            I’m currently going through a few Jewish sources on this, including the Zohar.

            BH, I’ll do a new post on this tomorrow.

          • Shimshon
            Shimshon says:

            When I talked up the stuff I learned with several friends (Torah Jews one and all), after they recoiled in horror due to the cognitive dissonance they were experiencing, and insisted the Talmud describes the earth as a “ball”. I only found this Talmud recently myself, since they couldn’t give me a reference. It says no such thing. It says the OLAM is a shaped like a ball. This is true. The UNIVERSE is indeed this shape. The earth itself sits on a bowl, and the heavens are the shape of an inverted bowl. The earth itself is flat. The apikorsim at sites like daatemet as well as Natan Slifkin at his site know this, and laugh at chaza”l, because they believe NASA (and the heliocentric theory) over our mesorah.

      • Shimshon
        Shimshon says:

        The sun (along with the moon) orbits above and around the earth. What we perceive as a hard horizon that things fall behind as they get further from us is no such thing. It’s all a matter of perspective. As something gets further from us, it does appear to approach the horizon and disappear from the bottom up. But it never really disappears. As you apply increasingly powerful optics to what you see, the item pops right back into view. The only real limit to how far we can see is the inability of light to pierce further through the air.

        If you want a more thorough explanation, I encourage you (and everyone) to spend $3 and buy the “Flat Earth Sun, Moon & Zodiac Clock” for Android or Phone (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flatearthsun for Android). This app has a very good model (a model, not reality) explaining flat earth, and links to hundreds of curated and categorized videos that are on Youtube (but blocked by their search filters) documenting and demonstrating everything about it (seasons, time zones, you name it) through recordings of observations, explanations and demonstrations of optical properties (for real, not the fake assertions made by so-called debunkers), and tabletop experiments. I have watched many of these videos. David Weiss, the author, is a formerly atheist Jew who used to…wait for it…run a conspiracy-minded podcast but, like me and many others, would write off urgings to look into flat earth as kookiness and ban them. Then, one day, he looked into it, came to realize it was true, Hashem exists (he has not yet made teshuva), walked away from his high-paying corporate job, made this app, and supports himself by spreading the knowledge that we are lied to and are created by a loving God.

        He has an ongoing challenge offering one or two bitcoins to anyone who can offer valid documentary evidence of the globe. You won’t be able to find any, since it doesn’t exist. It’s all fake or photoshopped. Yes, all of it.

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    • nechama
      nechama says:

      חוג – לשון ‘מחוגה’ (יש’ מד , יג) , עוגל; ‘קומפש’ בלעז. ויושביה לפניו כחגבים. כדוק – כיריעה; ‘טיילא’ (בלעז).
      The עוגל = “round”
      Don’t know about the rest? See – https://www.mgketer.org/tanach/12/40/22
      Good erev Shabbat/Shabbos

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  7. Shimshon
    Shimshon says:

    Thanks! My personal opinion is that, since we are told the geulah will be modeled on Yetzias Mitzraim (but greater), so to do they know it’s coming, and like Pharaoh then trying to act on that knowledge by killing all the baby boys to prevent Hashem’s redeemer from carrying out Hashem’s will, so is all the inexplicable madness surrounding Covid today some sort of contemporary equivalent. They’ve known all along it was coming. They don’t deny Hashem. But they wage war on Him by getting his creations to deny or doubt Him.

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    • adelle
      adelle says:

      the fact that v@ks1ne injury is more prevalent in boys and this new serum also harms young boys and adolescents at higher rates…. nothing new under the sun. at least this sun. who knows what the luminaries will be like in our near future? sometimes I wonder if the אור חדש will emulate from a new celestial body in the rakia? haftarah this shabbos does talk about a new shamayim and new aretz

      כִּ֣י כַאֲשֶׁ֣ר הַשָּׁמַ֣יִם הַ֠חֲדָשִׁ֠ים וְהָאָ֨רֶץ הַחֲדָשָׁ֜ה אֲשֶׁ֨ר אֲנִ֥י עֹשֶׂ֛ה עֹמְדִ֥ים לְפָנַ֖י נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֑ה כֵּ֛ן יַעֲמֹ֥ד זַרְעֲכֶ֖ם וְשִׁמְכֶֽם׃

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  8. An Inquirer
    An Inquirer says:

    Hava, I think you’re on target. Note i didn’t much plow thru the below, but they’re relevant to the round vs. flat debate.

    Firstly, there’s this:
    https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-shape-of-the-Earth-according-to-the-Torah

    Secondly there’s many sources on an anti-religion site (daatemet) which quotes conflicting opinions in the Torah, but I won’t cite the full URL as i don’t think an apikores URL would be appreciated here, even =if= it gives sources such as Nachmanides in Jerusalem Talmud, and so forth.

    Thirdly, even if alot of this knowledge is way over my head, I lean toward the torus-shape as seen on Foster Gamble’s Thrive-2012 video, re: torus and vector equilibrium. You can get an idea of the torus among his photo’s:
    http://www.thrivemovement.com/press_room
    I’m convinced that he’s the most for-real among all sorts of vid’s and sites i’ve seen, because his life goal for most of his life was tikkun olam, or to to rephrase it “secular tikkun olam”. While it’s true that in his films he offers a forum to all types, such as David Icke, as well as atheists, that’s because his philosophy is the “non-aggression” principle. And that’s mightly similar to the “kol hatorah kulah” of “mah d’alach sanui, l’chavrach lah saavid”.

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  9. vivian corey
    vivian corey says:

    I think I heard in the Zohar(Not sure the source)that it explains that the world is round and he explains the concept of gravity and the Northern and Southern Hemispheres.Please tell me if Im wrong.

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  10. Adelle
    Adelle says:

    I thought I commented but I don’t see it.

    I don’t know why morfix is translating chug as a sphere. rashi says chug is like a compass and also circular like igul.
    חוג. ל’ מחוגה (לקמן מד) עוגל קומפ”ש בלע”ז:

    while ibn Ezra also says it’s like a compass and also to say that it’s circular and not square as it speaks elsewhere in yishayahu of the ingathering of the exiles from the 4 corners.
    היושב על חוג. מגזרת ובמחוגה (ישעיהו מ”ד י”ג), והטעם הכלי העושה החוג, והוא הקו הסובב בעגול, והנה לעד כי הארץ עגולה לא רבועה, ואם אין צורך לפסוק, כי הדבר ידוע בראיות גמורות, וטעם היושב שהכל מלא כבודו:

    chacham menachem Menashe (who returned to olam ha’emet 45 yrs ago and was known as the rosh lamed vav tzadikim) in sefer ahavat chaim describes the kadur harakia, the ball/sphere of the rakia and the earth being formed in the center point of this ball from inside the waters enclosed within the kadur harakia

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      A lot of your comments started going straight to spam… not sure why. I’ve found them now and posted them here. Also sometimes there is a delay around Shabbos.

      that’s v interesting about the compass reference, btw. I’m going to start collating more sources from the Jewish side of things. Surprise surprise, they are WAY more aligned with the ‘flat earth’ version of events.

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  11. Tikvah Ruth
    Tikvah Ruth says:

    Rivkah, we must have been on similar thought planes last week! I think it was Wednesday when I started mentally questioning what we were taught at school about the earth, and the core being a fireball, and just thinking “how did they come to such conclusions “?
    I absolutely loved this video, much better than all national geographic and David Attenborough put together.
    I especially loved the videos of the planets, truly magnificent the way they danced…perhaps still an echo from Beirshit when HaShem spoke Creation into being.
    Flat disc, with a firmament above, makes much more sense than a ball rotating at huge speeds around the sun.
    Great comment by Shimshon!! One question about the sun which I didn’t quite get, does it go back and forth across shamayim…Kind of like a pendulum going back and forth? Can you please explain the path pattern of the sun in clearer detail?
    Shimshon, anything else you could impart from your Talmudic studies and background please?

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    • Shimshon
      Shimshon says:

      Imagine the earth as a flat disc. The firmament is a dome above us. The rainbow is curved because it is projecting an image from the dome.

      As an aside, you can only get a curved rainbow with a spherical surface above. Otherwise, rainbows are straight. A hose producing mist outside produces a curved rainbow. The same inside, without making any effort, will get you a straight rainbow.

      Now, the sun and moon “rotate” above us in a sort of circular motion (sort of, because their circular paths are either expanding during the winter to summer or contracting during the summer to winter).

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      • Shimshon
        Shimshon says:

        Sorry, I was wrong. The expansion is our summer to winter (when the sun is over Australia and South America), and contraction our winter to summer (when the sun is closer to directly overhead).

        The Talmud from the mishna on Chagiga 11b (I think) on has a fascinating discussion on what our world is like. Here’s something on 12a that you all might find interesting (quoted from Sefaria):

        “It was taught in the Tosefta: Tohu is a green line that encompasses the entire world, and from which darkness emerges, as it is stated: “He made darkness His hiding place round about Him” (Psalms 18:12), indicating that a line of darkness surrounds the world. Vohu; these are damp stones submerged in the depths, from which water emerges, as it is stated: “And He shall stretch over it the line of tohu and stones of vohu” (Isaiah 34:11), which demonstrates that tohu is a line and that vohu is referring to stones. (Chagiga 12a)
        Tohu and vohu are tangible things, not concepts (“formless and void” is the usual translation).”

        As many of us probably know, tohu and vohu are almost universally translated as some form of “chaos and void”. The Gemara says, not so. These are TANGIBLE things, not concepts.

        Tohu a ring of darkness that surrounds the world exists. It’s called the farther reaches of Antarctica, beyond which the sun’s light never reaches even in the summer, and which itself is a ring around the earth and not a continent on the bottom of a globe. It is also, interestingly, the highest place on earth.

        Vohu, rocks that exude water, also exists, in the depths, exactly where the Talmud says they can be found:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate

        Pay no attention to the explanations of the lab-coated scientists. Methane Clathrate is not created from some natural geological process. It is the literal raw material our world is made from and it underlies everything.

        On the first day, as it says right there in Chagiga, the primordial world was Tohu, Vohu, and some other things like wind (ruach).

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  12. Miriam
    Miriam says:

    Nothing surprises me anymore. but this really isn’t new to me. This is one of my favorite subjects that I keep going back to as the Torah isn’t always so clear when you’ve believed a certain thing from your education and only later can you realize there are other ways to interpret words which also make an opposite theory make sense. It is so nice to hear from other commenters who have studied this. I saw videos like this years ago and was told to look at the late Rabbi Dovid Brown’s book, Mysteries of the Creation. His amazing book deals with so many issues including this one. I did think that the flat earth could be true and I wanted to hear the Torah view on it but that Rabbi didn’t believe it as he quoted a few places which claim that it is a sphere. On page 86 (if you can get a copy) he lists 6 places which state it is a sphere.
    Yerushalmi Avoda Zara 3:1,
    Berayshis Rabba 63:14,
    BaMidbar Rabba 13:14 and 17,
    Esther Rabba 1:7,
    Tosfos Avoda Zara 41A paragraph beginning with “keKadur”
    and lastly the Zohar of VaYikra 10A which states the whole world is a revolving globe.
    I really want to hear how these can be interpreted differently. I think it is also the Zohar which talks of the different levels of the Earth and their creatures and really explains the alien like creatures reported about on our level of Earth. I also read abut how Hashem left the top of the world (the North pole) open so that if anyone claims they are like Hashem, they are welcome to finish the world he started and close it up. That does explain the entrance into an inner layer and Admiral Bird’s experiences. It explains the whole Hollow/Inner Earth which is usually paired with videos like the one you posted. The rabbi of this book did not believe space travel was false and if were still alive I would have a lot of questions for him. I don’t know what he would say to this video. He does write though, that gehenom which is in the center of the Earth is also a globe shape (page 230). Volcanoes, geysers ad hot springs are the openings on the Earth’s surface which lead into gehenom.
    I look forward to moshiach uncovering all of the false things we’ve been made to think are real and true. I haven’t believed man landed on the moon for many years but I have to be careful who I say that to as people think I’m nuts!

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      Thanks for this, and also thanks to Shimshon for his links.

      I’m pulling together more of the sources from our authentic masoret now, for the next post.

      I can’t help but wonder how many ‘contortions’ we’ve been feeling we have to make, collectively, to ‘justify’ the relevance of the Torah in the face of all this falsified science.

      Mamash, it’s a world of lies.

      But the scope of the lies is hard to comprehend, even for me!

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    • Shimshon
      Shimshon says:

      “Tosfos Avoda Zara 41A paragraph beginning with “keKadur””

      I know for a fact that the Gemara says here that the “olam” (not “aretz”) is shaped liked a “ball”. I have no doubt the other references are similarly misunderstand by most people, and refer likewise to an “olam”.

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  13. nechama
    nechama says:

    REAL FLIGHT INTO SPACE: Sir Richard Branson onboard Virgin Galactic’s first-ever fully crewed flight. Virgin Galatic … company’s Unity 22 test flight on July 11. Beautiful view of earth. I don’t know the exact altitude to hit space, but they were almost 300,000 ft. Wonder how high they really reached in terms of “space” “rakia” et al. Here’s the video with a female narrator of what one is viewing and other specifics. [Gee I was expecting it to hit the dome and watch the water fall? :-)) ] https://youtu.be/74DxSw0WDWs

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      Very interesting… that EWARANON full documentary brought a clip of an amateur rocket with a camera attached, that went ‘black’ at the 70 miles mark.

      70 miles = 369600 Feet

      (Look at all those 3s, 6s and 9s…..)

      But Branson apparently had another 69,600 feet to go before he hit the rakia…

      How’s that for precision flying.

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  14. nechama
    nechama says:

    WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO YOU: E WAR ANON? (EWARANON)

    RAKIA: The 1st Heaven is the Vilon, since it has the same number of dimensions as the physical world. So uniting that Heaven with earth is like “opening a curtain or a Vilon”. The 2nd Heaven is called Rakia. It has 8 dimensions and through it emanates Ruach HaQodesh. It also seems to describe the Heavens above the earth’s atmosphere. The 2 letter roots which combine to get the 3 letter root רקיע are ריק רע, meaning “extreme vacuum”, the condition of outer space where the stars and planets around the Sun are moving in their Heavenly courses. The curiosity is that one extra dimension in rakia which would defy physics as our puny brains understand it unless we employ String Theory which does assume 6 more dimensions which fits nicely with a 7th Heaven having 13 dimensions. Perhaps this extra dimension in rakia is the source of all the hidden dark matter in the universe. [Dov Bar-Leib of end-of-days blog @ http://yearsofawe.blogspot.com]

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      • nechama
        nechama says:

        Reb Dov is an amazing source of Torah sources on many things. b”n I will ask him on his blog. But you didn’t reply to E WAR ANON. I’m sure you saw the reference??

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