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The NIF funded ‘ortho-fems’ strike again

Like you, I’ve been scratching my head about what’s really going on with all this ‘Chaim Walder’ stuff.

***UPDATES BELOW***

Because at this point we all know, the media is working for the corrupt government, which in turn is funded by the corrupt ‘elites’ who are trying to kill us all off and / or enslave us with nanotech in the Covid shots, plus 5…G.

And yet somehow, these same Freemason-Frankist ‘elites’, who are up to their necks in child trafficking, and child abuse – together with their ‘Trojan Horses’ in the Jewish community, are suddenly super-concerned about a dead author of Jewish children’s books.

They are so concerned, they are getting their usual shills in the orthodox Jewish community to start putting out ‘messages‘, and to hold ‘webinars’, and they are even digging up video of Rav Chaim Kanievsky from 20 years ago to underline just how concerned they suddenly are.

(All the time, staying curiously quiet about people who are part of their ‘elite’ network, like Meshi-Zahav. Where is that guy, does anyone know?)

So what’s really going on here?

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On the last post HERE, I was musing about that out loud, when a comment from a reader started to shine some light into the murk.

Here’s the comment:

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/320037

I also agree that there is something fishy going here.

Like, those who themselves are obsessed with this whole topic are pushing that we should be educated about how to protect ourselves and how to deal with the abuse.

One interesting found:

There is a children’s book in Hebrew Mah Sh’Batuach Batuach. It was sold by Feldheim for 10 ILS a few years ago after being heavily subsidized. It’s about teaching kids about personal safety.

I found it on my couch the other day, so I opened it up and saw that it was endorsed by certain Rabbanim. One is Rav Silman and the other was Rav Chaim, with a letter from Rebbetzin Koledetsky.

Now, this may not mean anything, but these names certainly add up.

Maybe there’s a hidden agenda here- but what is it?

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I clicked on that link, and I got to this:

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Snippet:

On Friday morning, most of the people bustling through Beit Shemesh, a town in central Israel with a large haredi Orthodox population, were getting ready for Shabbat. Shoshanna Keats-Jaskoll had a different mission.

Keats-Jaskoll was handing out flyers with messages of support for victims of sexual abuse, in a public display of solidarity at the end of a wrenching week in many Orthodox communities.

At the beginning of the week, Chaim Walder, a celebrated haredi Orthodox children’s book author in Israel, died by suicide after being accused by numerous children and young women of sexual abuse. The Ashkenazi chief rabbi of Israel visited Walder’s family. Then, on Thursday, one of Walder’s alleged victims, Shifra Horovitz, also died by suicide, her friends saying she had been distraught by the response to his death.

And the name of her organisation, Chochat Nashim, also sounded just so familiar to me.
So, I spent some time scrolling through my old blog posts about the ‘ortho-fems’ I was having a running battle with online, back in 2019, just before Covid 19 – and here is what I found.
The first batch of info comes from a post I wrote called Can ‘feminist’ and ‘orthodox’ every really go together?
(Old stuff is in italics.)
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Yesterday, a news story came to my attention that a bunch of Reform feminists, plus one apparently ‘modern orthodox’ feminist have decided to sue Ikea.

What was the furniture store’s terrible crime? In 2016, Ikea Israel made the mistake of trying to reach out to the chareidi community by printing a catalogue specially for them, that didn’t include any pictures of women in it. Instead of applauding Ikea’s attempted sensitivity for the orthodox world, instead of adopting the maxim of live and let live, instead of letting the orthodox world decide for itself what sorts of pictures it wants to see in the publications that it brings into its home, a group called the “Israel Religious Action Center”, decided to sue Ikea Israel, instead.
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WHO RUNS THE ‘ISRAEL RELIGIOUS ACTION CENTER?’

A quick look at the IRAC website tells you that IRAC’s Executive Director is Anat Hoffman, who you may well recognise as the ‘founder and director’ of the infamous Women of the Wall. IRAC describes itself as “the legal and advocacy arm of the Reform Movement in Israel.” IRAC has certainly been busy the last few years. Here’s some highlights from its website, where we’re told that:

IRAC plays a lead role in battling attempts by religious extremists to limit the participation and visibility of women in the public sphere in Israel, reversing the phenomena of gender segregation and exclusion and achieving remarkable success.

(Again, please remember that these people are the notorious Women of the Wall.)

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Here’s some of what they’ve been up to, before the got around to suing Ikea:

1) In June 2017, they sued El Al to stop women or men asking to switch seats, if they didn’t want to sit next to someone of the opposite gender.

2) In 2015, the sued Bet Shemesh to force orthodox neighborhoods to remove signs asking women to dress modestly in their neighborhoods.

3) In 2014, they chummed up with Kolech, which describes itself as a ‘Religious Women’s Forum’ to sue the chareidi radio station Kol BeRama.

4) Now, they’re in the process of trying to sue the IDF to stop having ‘men only’ bases: “We are currently collecting testimonies of women soldiers who were harmed by women-free areas in the army.”

5) They’re also trying to prevent higher educational facilities where men and women can study without rubbing shoulders with the opposite gender.

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Ah, peace n’love. IRAC is being at least partially funded by the New Israel Fund. We’ll hear more about them in a moment. Anyway, back to Ikea. ——

According to Haaretz, the suit filed by the complainants said:

“The total exclusion of women and girls from the catalog sends a serious and difficult message that women have no value and there is something wrong with their presence, even in the family-home space depicted in the catalog. “This discrimination and exclusion has severely insulted, angered and traumatized those who received the catalog.”

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All this was back in April 2019, when these ‘ortho-fems’ were all over the orthodox media, trying to browbeat the frum world into showing more women’s faces, and bodies, and expensive fingernails, and $10,000 sheitels, all in the name of ‘equality’.
I finished that post with this statement:

God gave us a Torah, God gave us rules to follow.

God knows exactly what He’s doing. Is the chareidi world behaving properly and appropriately all the time? Absolutely not. Is there room for improvement? Absolutely. But it’s not for Reform-minded feminists or the Meretz-loving New Israel Fund to decide how those changes should happen, or what those improvements should be. It’s up to our God-fearing Sages and our Torah-observant rabbis to make those decisions in accordance with halacha, the same way it’s been working since the Torah was handed down to Moshe over 3,000 years ago. And so, we come back full circle, and I have to ask:

Can ‘orthodox Jew’ and ‘feminist’ ever really go together?

Because from where I’m standing, it’s increasingly looking like a resounding ‘no’.

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And then, I got this as one of the comments back on that post – and here’s where we segue back into Chaim Walder, and Shoshana Keats-Jaskoll, and her Chochmat Nashim organisation:

Following on from Ann Koffsky invitation to look at the frumwomenhavefaces.com website, in the comments section, I went to take a look. These are my thoughts:

  1. The stated quotes from Rabbis don’t appear to have any actual Torah sources to back them up. I would like to see the Torah sources / commentaries that these opinions are based on.
  2. The FWHF website recommends that visitors: “Share these press guidelines from Chochmat Nashim with the Jewish media.”
  3. When I clicked over to see who is behind the Chochmat Nashim website, I found this statement:

We partner with leading organizations that share our goals and values, such as ITIM, Kolech, The Center for Women’s Justice, Mavoi Satum, Yad La’isha and the International Young Israel Movement, the Jewish Orthodox Feminist Alliance (JOFA), as well as members of Knesset, social activists, community rabbis and religious leaders.

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Apart from the International Young Israel Movement, all the other organisations that were listed on the Chochmat Nashim website back in 2019 were linked to and / or receiving money from the Reform movement, and / or the New Israel Fund.

Here’s some examples:

ITIM – Has a bunch of ‘Jewish Federation’ sponsors plus donors who like to emphasize promoting ‘Jewish pluralism’ and ‘tikkun olam’ in Israel – key Reform phrases.

Kolech – Got more than $50k from the New Israel Fund in 2018.

The Center for Women’s Justice – Got $26,750 from the New Israel Fund in 2018.

Mavoi Satum – Got $49,000 from the New Israel Fund in 2018.

Yad L’Isha – Got $34,000 from the New Israel Fund in 2018.

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I just took a look at the ‘Chochmat Nashim’ website now, in the middle of writing this post – and now, it seems all this information about who is really funding them has been scrubbed off their site.

(If you can find it, please drop a link in the comments.)

Conveniently, just in time for ‘Chochmat Nashim’ – and the other Reform funded, NIF funded, Freemason-Frankist funded ‘ortho-fem’ organisations to come charging out at the hareidi community, now wielding ‘Chaim Walder’ as their weapon of choice.

To put this another way, the ‘ortho fem’ movement is being funded and organised by people who openly state they want to take down orthodox Judaism.

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So now, let’s return to Chaim Walder, and ask some more questions:

  • Who paid the tens of thousands of shekels, for Keats-Jaskoll and her ‘volunteers’ to print and then distribute 350,000 leaflets in the chareidi community?
  • Why is it, that so many of the apparently ‘orthodox Jews’ that we saw acting as Covid 19 pimps for the Frankist-Freemasons are also to be found jumping on the Reform / NIF-sponsored ‘bash-Chaim Walder’ bandwagon?
  • And why is Reform / NIF sponsored-ortho fems making such a big deal about ‘abuse in the orthodox community’, and dead Chaim Walders, while apparently completely ignoring terrible abuse in their own communities, and own backyards?
By people like THIS:
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And by people like THIS:
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(Jeffrey Epstein’s ‘liberal’ Jewish friends included:
  • Alan Dershowitz;
  • Les Wexner; and 
  • Ehud Barak
Amongst many others.)
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Here’s the ‘Alan Dershowitz’ tag at the New Israel Fund site:

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HERE is where you can see how many bureaucrats, army and other ‘establishment’ people took Les Wexner’s dime, in Israel, over the last 32 years:

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And THIS speaks for itself:
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Maybe my browser isn’t working, but I can’t seem to find any statements from New Israel Fund, the Women of the Wall, or any of the other Jewish ‘feminist’ promoting people and organisations mentioned here, condemning Shimon Peres, or Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, and all the other ‘Jewish’ people associated with them, in any way.
But when it comes to Chaim Walder?
Then, there is money for 350,000 leaflets to be printed and distributed.
Then, there are tens of ‘content writers’ and ‘orthodox rabbis’ in the Jewish community putting out unprecedented statements and running webinars – all in a way that looks suspiciously ‘co-ordinated’ and paid for.
Then, there is the fake news media running one piece after another about the ‘problems of abuse  in the chareidi community’ – but ONLY in the orthodox community!!! – that need to be fixed by ‘ortho-fems’ who are being funded by NIF and the Reform movement….
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Tell me something:

Are we going to let them do this to us again, as a community?

Are we just going to sit here and be manipulated, scammed and attacked again, as these Frankist-Freemasons use all their little ‘pseudo-orthodox’ shills and trojan horses to try and destroy our real rabbis, our real Judaism, our real Torah values again?
This is exactly what happened with Rav Berland.
It’s exactly what happened with all the ‘ortho-fem’ propaganda from a couple of years ago.
It’s exactly what happened with ‘Covid 19’.
And now, it’s happening again….
But this time, hopefully more of us are going to start calling out this Frankist-Freemason agenda – and the shills who are pushing it in our communities – and to recognise what’s really going on here.

They are setting up the real Jews to take the fall for their own sins.

And I’m really praying that this time, they won’t succeed.
TBC
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UPDATE:

This is from Chananya Weissman, and is very interesting reading:

 Fake Torah Against Walder

Episode #23 of our Root and Branch Medical War Crimes series is now available at https://rumble.com/vswehp-r-and-b-medical-war-crimes-23-fake-torah-against-walder-shuey-finkelstein.html.
In the first part I presented more information about Erev Rav Eliyahu’s trampling all over the Torah in his kangaroo court against Chaim Walder.  See below for a write-up of much of this information, including the Torah sources I discussed on the show copied in full.
In the second part, Shuey Finkelstein shared information about federal payoffs and bribes (known as grants) to CHEMED and Jewish schools to push their covid agenda.
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A recent issue of Mishpacha Magazine featured “A Note on Hilchos Lashon Hara” by Rabbi Avrohom Neuberger.

You can see it here.  The purpose of this article is to defend the actions of Eliyahu and company against Walder, and support the worldwide lashon hara campaign against Walder.
Rabbi Neuberger included the following parenthetical comment: (The halachic grounds for beis din accepting testimony in the absence of the accused, and from minors and others who are generally not accepted for testimony, is discussed in the poskim — see Rema, Choshen Mishpat 33 — and is beyond the scope of this brief note.)
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I contacted Rabbi Neuberger and asked him the following questions:

1. The halachic grounds for beis din accepting testimony in absence of the accused, based on the Rema, Choshen Mishpat 33 — can you please be more specific as to the source for this?
2. The cherem of speaking lashon hara about the dead not applying to a rodef — can you please provide the source for this as well?  Also, from what I understand a rodef by definition is someone who is actively trying to kill someone in the future.  I don’t understand how a dead person can be called a rodef, since whatever they did, horrible as it might be, is already in the past, and it is no longer an “active shooter” situation.
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Rabbi Neuberger sent me a cordial reply that he would get back to me later in the week.  After two days I sent a follow-up:

Thanks for the reply but I’m surprised you don’t have the sources handy, being that they formed the foundation for your article, and really should have been included in the article.  I was not able to find any Rema in Choshen Mishpat 33 allowing for testimony in the absence of the litigants, only a lengthy Shach that was categorically AGAINST it. 
 
I can’t imagine there is a source that categorizes a deceased person as a rodef, but I am not especially knowledgeable.
 
Please clarify the sources on which your article was based.  Thank you.
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Rabbi Neuberger replied by pointing me to an article from the Journal of Halacha and Contemporary Society in 2010, saying I should see from page 13.

You can find it here.
He acknowledged that I was correct about Walder being referred to as a rodef, and said a “major posek” in the laws of lashon hara had instructed him to use this term.  He also said that the benefit of slandering Walder even after his death would make it permitted, as defaming him would deter others.
I sent him the following lengthy reply, which includes my notes from last night’s show and Torah sources cited in full.
I want to emphasize that Rabbi Neuberger’s correspondence with me has been cordial, and therefore I will assume that his intentions are sincere, even as I strongly disagree with his conclusions and his methods for arriving at them.  I hope this leads to a greater understanding of the proper Torah approach to this situation and in general.
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Here is my reply, which is where things stand at the moment:

I appreciate your forthright reply, but honestly I find it very disturbing.  First of all, we do not pasken matters of life and death, with widespread communal implications, by simply pointing to an article in a journal. There must be clear and precise halachic sources and precedent to support one’s ruling, and it must be clear how the dots connect to the specific situation.
In your Mishpacha article you provided two “sources”.  One of them, the Rema, was given without a direct reference, just a chapter, and there is nothing in the Rema that supports holding secret trials in absence of the accused.  The main commentary on this Rema, the Shach, writes unequivocally against such things.
The second was a reference to the Chafetz Chaim permitting lashon hara in a case of to’eles, even against a dead person who is a “rodef”.  This is problematic on many levels.  First of all, again, there is no specific source cited, just a concept.  This is not how psak works.
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Secondly, the Chafetz Chaim lists seven conditions for it to be permissible to speak lashon hara, which I am sure you are familiar with, ALL OF WHICH must be met, otherwise it is forbidden. 
The fact that one intends for there to be a to’eles is not a blanket heter for “anything goes”.  Everyone who speaks lashon hara will claim they are doing it for a to’eles.  In the case with Walder, those speaking and accepting the lashon hara do not seem to be meeting ANY of the seven conditions.  Good intentions alone do not justify engaging in a worldwide lashon hara campaign with no limits or restraints.
The only people who benefit from this MeToo witch hunt are those who might wish to spread rumors about someone and destroy their life. Abusers will continue to abuse no matter what, but now anyone with an ax to grind sees that an angry mob will eagerly believe rumors without question and run wild with them.
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Thirdly, the acknowledgment that a “major posek” instructed you to call Walder a rodef after his death is highly disturbing, as is the fact that you complied without even asking for his reasoning, despite recognizing that the language is unsuitable. 
Calling him a rodef is intended for shock value, to manipulate public opinion in favor of the lashon hara campaign.  This isn’t Torah, it’s propaganda.
I started reading the journal article before page 13, because unlike those jumping on the lashon hara bandwagon, I am concerned with what the Torah actually has to say, not simply justify the predetermined conclusion that the lashon hara campaign is virtuous.
Not surprisingly, the article contains many sources that indicate this unrestrained lashon hara campaign is extremely inappropriate, to put it mildly, and that far greater caution should be exercised. 
There are situations in which testimony from minors can be taken seriously, and there are situations in which the accused need not be present, but these are both extremely limited, as are the actions that can be taken based on such testimony.  There is a giant canyon one must leap over between these sources and the actions that have been taken against Walder.  The dots simply do not connect, much as the hysterical mob wants them to.
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I will share some sources and information that must be reconciled before a lashon hara campaign of this nature can even be considered:

יד אפרים על הלכות שחיטה א:א

  וכתב בשו”ת מים עמוקים בחלק תשובת מ’ אלי’ מזרחי ז”ל בסימן כ”ד בעיר אחת שהיו שם שתי קהלות קהל רומניאה ושוב נתישבו קהל ספרדים ולפי שהשוחט היה משגיח יותר לקהל רומניאה שנאוהו אנשי ספרדים והיו מתנכלים עליו להוציאו ממנויו ולכן השתדלו להוציא עדים ביניהם בענין שיופסל ושלחו אליו לבא לבדקו ולא רצה לפי שלא היו שם מאנשי רומניאה וקבלו עדות שלא בפניו והענישוהו תענית ומלקיות ממון וקנס בכ”ז אינו מופסל בעדות זה שלא בפניו ומה שלא הלך כששלחו לו שפיר עביד מאחר שיודע שמחפשין אחריו לפוסלו ולא חזו ליה זכותא וגם כל אנשי רומניאה מעידין שכל הספרדים מקנאים לו מחמת שאינו משגיח עליהם כ”כ ורצו לפזר ממון להוציאו בכדי למנות אחר מאנשי מקומם בכה”ג הני דייני וסהדי נוגעים בו

In the Walder situation it was clearly a witch hunt and kangaroo court that decided his guilt and was out to get him before the trial opened.  Hence, Walder was correct not to show up, and the court is invalid.
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2. Shmuel Eliyahu posted the following explanation on December 26:

  https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=4618298561619441&id=314191358696871

You can see an English translation here:

https://www.jewishpress.com/news/jewish-news/rabbi-shmuel-eliyahu-this-is-why-we-ruled-chaim-walder-guilty/2021/12/29/

ההלכה מחייבת אותנו כרבנים לפעול כנגד אנשים שמטמאים את בית ישראל. (תענית יב. מו“ק ו. ב“י תקסה). הטיפול הזה לא נעשה בכללים הרגילים של בית דין ולא חייבים לקבל עדות בפניו. (שו“ת שואל ומשיב מהד“ק חלק א, סימן קפה). כל שכן כשרגיל לאיים על הנשים ויראות מפניו. (רמ“א חו“מ כח טו).

Once again, Eliyahu also did not provide his actual source, leaving others to do the homework to find it on their own and guess his thought process.  Most people will not bother to do that or be capable of it.  I looked up the Gemara in Taanis and Moed Katan and the Beis Yosef.  It has nothing to do with the topic at hand.  It’s all about fasting and public prayer.  Eliyahu just made up sources out of thin air.

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I looked up Choshen Mishpat 28:15, and in fact it says the OPPOSITE of the conclusion he is trying to defend:

אין מקבלין עדות שלא בפני בע“ד ואם קבלו אין דנין על פיו: הגה וחוזרין ומגידין בפניו ואם שנו בעדותן בפעם שני ממה שהגידו בראשונה הולכין אחר העדות השני שהגידו בפניו אע“פ שהגידו בראשונה על פי החרם דכל שלא בפניו כחוץ לב“ד דמי וחוזרין ומגידין (ב“י בשם רבי מנחם) ויש חולקין ואומרים דאם נתקבל העדות שלא בפניו כשר בדיעבד (ר“י נ“ב ח“ב ומרדכי פרק הגוזל בתרא) ולכן אם הבעל דין הוא אלם והעדים יראים להגיד לפניו מקבלין העדות שלא בפניו ודנין על פיו (פסקי מהרא“י סי‘ קע“ה וקע“ז) מיהו אם אפשר לכוף האלם כדרך שנתבאר לעיל סי‘ זה ס“ה עדיף טפי י“א דלא אמרו אין מקבלין עדות אלא בפני ב“ד היינו בדיני ממונות אבל בקטטות ומריבות שיש לחוש שאם יעידו בפניהם יתקוטטו עם עדים גם יתקוטטו זה עם זה תקנו הגאונים שמקבלים העדות שלא בפניהם גם לא יגלו מי הם העדים (הגהת מרדכי) ול“נ דדוקא כשאין הב“ד רוצים לדון אחד מהם ע“פ הדין ולענוש רק להשקיט הקטטה ולהורות כפי צורך המריבה אבל כשרוצים לענוש ולדון אחד מהם אין לקבל העדות אלא בפניו וכמו שנתבאר באה“ע סי“א ס“ד:

He allows for testimony in absentia to settle fights between people, NOT as a basis for punishing people in criminal cases.

One cannot argue that Walder was threatening to kill the witnesses, because according to the reports of these same people, the only person he threatened to hurt was himself.

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Even HaEzer Siman 11:4 was mentioned at the end, so I looked that up.

י“א שאם באו עדים שאשת איש זינתה צריכים דרישה וחקירה (ואין לקבל העדות שלא בפניה ושלא בפני בעלה) (תשו‘ הרא“ש כלל מ“ו)

And I looked up the Teshuva of the Rosh.

שו“ת הרא“ש כלל מו סימן א

ועוד היה ראוי שעדות זו תתקבל בפני גדולי ישראל הבקיאים בדרישה שידרשו ויחקרו היטב כדי שלא לאסור אשה על בעלה. דתני‘ בשילהי יבמות (דף קכב ב) אין בודקים עדי נשים בדרישה ובחקירה רבי טרפון ורבי עקיבא אומרים בודקין עדי נשים בדרישה ובחקירה. וקא מיפלגי בדרבי חנינא דאמר רבי חנינא דבר תורה אחד דיני ממונות ואחד דיני נפשות בדרישה וחקירה שנאמר משפט אחד יהיה לכם ומפני מה אמרו בדיני ממונות לא בעי דרישה וחקירה כדי שלא תנעול דלת בפני לווין. ובהא דא מיפלגי מר סבר כיון דאיכא כתובה למשקל כדיני ממונות דמיא ומר סבר כיון דקא שרינן אשת איש לעלמא כדיני נפשות דמיא. ובנדון זה לאסור אשה על בעלה הכל מודים דבעינן דרישה וחקירה ולקבל העדות בפני בעלי הדינין ובפני גדולי ישראל שידעו לחקור ולדרוש ולא להסתיר עצה במחשכים ולהוציא לעז על האשה היושבת תחת בעלה. ואף בדיני ממונות אין מקבלין עדות שלא בפני בעל הדין, וכתב רבינו יצחק בר אשר הלוי ז“ל שאם קבלו עדות שלא בפני בע“ד =בעל דין= אינו עדות לדון על פיו. והביא ראיה מהא דאמרינן מכחישין את העדים שלא בפניהם ואין מזימין אותם אלא בפניהם, והזמה שלא בפניהם ניהו דהזמה לא הוי הכחשה מיהא הוי. פירוש מכחישין את העדים שלא בפניהם דהכחשה לא הוי חובת העדים אלא חובת בעל דין והרי הוא בפנינו. אבל אין מזימין את העדים אלא בפניהם דהזמה הויא חובת העדים ואין מקבלין עדות אלא בפני בעל דין, וקאמר דשלא בפניהם אפי‘ בדיעבד הזמה לא הוי. וראוי להעניש לכל מי שהיה באותה עצה ובאותו וועד לקבל עדות של לעז ופגם על אשה היושבת תחת בעלה שלא בפניה

Back to Eliyahu’s Facebook post.

למרות שהיה ברור לו שהוא הורס בתים. ולמרות שהיה ברור לו שהוא מכשיל ומטמא את בית ישראל, המשיך ולדר בדרכו בלי לעצור לרגע. קיבלנו עדויות על 22 נשים ונערות שהוא פגע בהן, ואין שום ספק שהמקרים הללו הם רק חלק קטן מפגיעתו הרעה.

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Rav Eliyahu and his kangaroo court did NOT hear from 22 victims.  They didn’t hear from ANY victims.  They heard ABOUT them.  Kind of like how people didn’t really die FROM covid, but with a negligible trace of it somewhere in their system.    

Notice that the Jewish Press in the same article wrongly stated that “the rabbis ruled him guilty following evidence from 22 victims”.  No such thing.  It was all hearsay. 

Eliyahu and company are either woefully negligent or criminally corrupt, or both.  According to the Rosh, they should be made to stand before a Beis Din and be punished for their actions.

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So how many people ACTUALLY testified?

We were told it had to be a secret trial (against halacha) because it’s too painful for the victims to testify. But they didn’t! So who did? Why can’t we know who THEY are, and how THEY got their information?

I have no idea what Walder did or didn’t do, and no one supports abusers. 

However, this entire lashon hara campaign is based on trusting Eliyahu that he heard a lot of stories, he checked them all out, and Walder is a really bad guy, so go get him.  I’m sorry, but this is not how halacha works, and it runs roughshod all over the laws of lashon hara, which Eliyahu is obligated to follow the same as anyone else.

Rabbis and poskim have no right to make up sources, or send people on wild goose chases looking for their sources, or to make people believe the dots connect just because they say so and we have to trust them.

I am hoping you will have the integrity to see the merit in my words and publish a retraction.  If you do not see merit in my words, I hope you will publish a clear explanation for why everything I said is irrelevant, and provide clear, direct sources to that effect.

Chananya

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