Maybe, just maybe, I’m finally starting to get somewhere with all this.
My husband laughs at me – insanely – when I say this.
Because I’ve been saying it for months, already, only to find all my insights disappearing in more doubts and confusion. But the last couple of posts, I’m starting to see more and more synchronicity in all this, that’s pointing a path through all the deception.
Otherwise, let’s dive in.
In those 2 posts, we got to the following conclusions:
- Abraham Peretz‘s father is the brother, or brother-in-law of Hart Lyon / Zvi Hirsch Berliner (grandson of the Chacham Tzvi, and Chief Rabbi of Berlin and London, amongst other places.)
- In THIS post, we set out the possibility that Zvi Hirsch Berliner could be the father or brother of the false messiah, Jacob Frank (or possibly, even Jacob Frank himself, if we’re going on the shtreimel…)
- Chabad themselves make a weird connection between the conversion of the Alter Rebbe’s son, Moshe Shneuri, and the conversion of Abraham Peretz.
- There is also a weird connection between Abraham Peretz and Natan Nota Notkin (Eybshutz), and the Alter Rebbe And Natan Nota Notkin (Eybshutz)
- Both Abraham Peretz and the Alter Rebbe are also closely related to Yehoshua Zeitlin, in some way. I have a partial family tree from one of the Alter Rebbe’s descendants that show that Yehoshua Zeitlin is also meant to be their ancestor in some way; while Abraham Peretz is the ‘official’ son-in-law of Yehoshua Zeitlin.
- The identity of Abraham Peretz’s father has been deliberately hidden.
- The real identity of ‘Rabbi Shmuel ben Avigdor‘ – the Chief Rabbi of Vilna, at the time of the Vilna Gaon, and the son-in-law of wealthy shtadlan ‘Rabbi Yehuda ben Eliezer Safra deVayana’ – has also been deliberately hidden.
The question is WHY this big cover-up?
And we’re still trying to answer that.
In this post, we’ll see if we can add-in another dimension to this whole hot mess, by returning to Moses Dobrushka – putative nephew of Jacob Frank, and apparently also the grandson of Yonatan Eibshutz.
I wrote a whole big post about “Moses Dobrushka” HERE, and this is the relevant snippet we’re going to kick off with in this post:
[T]here were three Jews who were making money in Moravia as tobacco merchants at [the time of Jacob Frank], namely Joachim Popper, Israel Edler von Honisgberg, and Salomon Dobrushka – father of Moses, and husband of ‘Schondl’, the leading Sabbateans in Bohemia.
I could find precious little about the ‘Dobrushkas’ online, but the most useful thing I found – by far – was this account of them, on YIVO….
Prominent Moravian family that took its name from its patriarch, Jacob Moses Wimer (d. 1763), who came from Dobruschka, a small town near Königgrätz (Hradec Králové) in Bohemia.
In 1730 Wimer moved to Brünn (Brno) as a widower with two children, and despite the fact that Jews were forbidden to live in that city, was given permission to settle and to deal first in precious stones and jewelry, and later in spices and tobacco.
In 1750 he was granted a monopoly on the tobacco trade for the royal cities of Moravia.
Dobruschka’s daughter Esther married Adam Oppenheimer of Vienna, a relative of the court purveyor Samuel Oppenheimer. Dobruschka’s son Solomon (1715–1774) married Schöndl, daughter of Löbl Hirschl of Rzeszów and Güttel Jacobi of Prossnitz.
There’s that name again, ‘Lobl Hirschl’.
The brainwave I had today is that this ‘Lobl Hirshchl’ is also the same guy – ‘Hart Lyon / Zvi Hirsch Berliner’.
He was also born in Rzezsow, and was also known by that name, and in the ‘real world’, he’s the uncle of that infamous convert Abraham Peretz, who we’ve been trying to track down the last few days.
In the ‘real world’, Zvi Hirsch Berliner is married to ‘Golda’, the daughter of R’ David Tebele Katz, the ABD of Glogau.
‘Golda’ and ‘Guttel’ are also close enough matches to make me think this is an avenue worth pursuing further.
So, to be clear, this is the ‘theory’ we are trying to stand up in this post:
- That ‘Lobl Hirschl’ is in fact one and the same as Zvi Hirsch Berliner / Hart Lyon.
- According to YIVO, ‘Lobl Hirschl’ is listed as the father of Schondl, who was meant to have married Tobacco industrialist ‘Solomon Dobrushka’ – the leading Sabbatean Frankists in Brunn.
- ‘Schondl Dobrushka’ was meant to be the first cousin of Jacob Frank – which means one of their parents was a sibling.
- Schondl Dobrushka’s son is the infamous Moses Dobrushka, who began the Order of the Asiatic Brotherhood, and was executed in France where he played a leading role in the French Revolution, under the name Junius Frey.
- Zvi Hirsch Berliner is also the uncle of famous Russian convert Abraham Peretz, who is the son-in-law of Yehoshua Zeitlin.
So, if Lobl Hirschl = Zvi Hirsch Berliner / Hart Lyon, that means the following:
Jacob Frank and ‘Schondl Dobrushka’ are also the first cousins of Abraham Peretz.
That puts the Frankist network slap, bank, wallop right at the heart of the Jewish community in Kherson and St Petersburg.
And depending what else we can figure out about how Natan Nota Notkin (Eybshutz) and the Alter Rebbe fits in with all this – well, let’s just say things could soon get pretty interesting.
Before we continue, I also want to just throw this tidbit into the mix, about the Rothschilds.
Remember, the Rothschilds are German Jewish bankers who relocate to London (and Paris), and then become fabulously wealthy. They were also known Frankists, and close supporters of Jacob Frank’s court in Offenbach.
Back in THIS post, I set out this interesting fact:
‘Rabbi Tzvi Hirsh Halevi Horowitz’ – the rav who apparently ‘blessed’ the Rothschilds with wealth – appears to be our very own Rabbi Hirschel Ben Arye Löb Levin / Rabbi Hart Lyon / Rabbi Tzvi Hirsh Berlin / Hirshll Lobell.’
Do you see, how this guy seems to be in the middle of so very many of the intersecting lines of enquiry I’ve been following over the last few months? At this stage, I find it hard to believe this is just all ‘coincidence’.
So, now we’ve set all that out, let’s see what else we can dig up, to try to support the thesis.
Golda Berliner also has some interesting ancestors.
She apparently descends from Vogel, the daughter of the Maharal of Prague, via R’ Chaim HaCohen-Katz, the ABD of Posen and Frankfurt.
And all of a sudden, I’m in the middle of so many of the names I’ve been trying to link up with Jacob Frank, and with the Rivlin / Vilners, and with the Schicks and Poppers and ‘Dobrushkas’, for a long time already, including Slava Teomim-Frankel Mirels; and David Tebele, and Shneur Zalman Katz – the first in a long line of ‘Shneur Zalmans’.
Dear reader, we have just hit the genealogical jackpot.
In the next post, I’ll (try to…) set out exactly how ‘Golda Berliner’, wife of ‘Hart Lyon / Hirschll Lobel / Zvi Hirsh Berliner’ links up with Shneur Zalman, the Alter Rebbe of Chabad.
Because once we know that bit of the puzzle, I can tell you the new thesis of how the Alter Rebbe is really connected to Jacob Frank, Schondl Dobrushka and Abraham Peretz.
But before we do that, here’s some more info about Golda Berliner / Shneur Zalman of Liadi’s ancestors, that you probably didn’t know.
The Alter Rebbe’s great-grandfather was a man named Moshe Loew of Posen.
He was apparently a rich merchant who dealt in antiquities (when he wasn’t being the Rabbi of Posen). And also – according to his entry in the ‘Chabadpedia’ HERE – he spent a lot of time at the Vatican arguing with priests. I’m going to put both the Hebrew original here, plus the English ‘Google Translate’, as these things are delicate, and I don’t want to be accused of mis-translating anything:
ניהל ויכוחים בותיקן עם גדולי הכמרים (בתחילה מול 30 קרדינלים אך לאחר שהתעקש שיהיה כוחות שווים שמו מולו שלושה קרדינלים)ונחל נצחנות גדולים שהביכו את גדולי הנצרות. הוא עשה את זה מכיון שבאותה התקופה רבו הויכוחים והנוצרים התעללו רבות בעם היהודי ומהסיבה הזאת (ההתנכוליות של הנוצרים) ר’ משה התפטר ממשרתו כראש קהילת פוזנא,
במשך נאומיו הרבים על היהדות בותיקן הרבה יהודים שהיו שם בשלבי שמד ל”ע או כבר אחרי התחילו להתחזק ביהדות ולחזור בתשובה. הבולט שבהם היה צעיר יהודי בשם משה גדליה גורדון שהגיע מפולין על מנת להשתלם בכמה מקצועות, במשך שהותו בין הכמרים התחלש קצת ביהדותו ובזכות ר’ משה מפוזנא התחזק והתחיל לפעול עם היהודים ששהו.
GOOGLE TRANSLATE TO ENGLISH:
“He held debates in the Vatican with the great priests (initially in front of 30 cardinals but after insisting that there be equal forces he put three cardinals in front of him) and had great victories that embarrassed the great men of Christianity.
He did this because at that time there were many arguments and the Christians abused the Jewish people a lot and for this reason (the harassment of the Christians) R. Moshe resigned from his position as head of the Pozna congregation,
During his many speeches on Judaism in the Vatican, many Jews who were there during the stages of the annihilation of Israel or after began to strengthen Judaism and repent.
Prominent among them was a young Jew named Moshe Gedaliah Gordon who came from Poland to study in several professions, during his time among the priests he weakened his Judaism a bit and thanks to Rabbi Moshe of Poznań he became stronger and began to work with the Jews who stayed. ”
Moshe Loew lived between 1663-1736.
This was the time when Sabbateanism was at its height, and many, many Jews ended up converting out to both Islam and Xtianity, in the wake of Shabtai Tzvi.
But as I set out in THIS POST, well before Shabtai Tzvi there were a ton of leading ‘Jews’, many of whom descended from Spanish and Portuguese conversos, who were washing in and out of Judaism with scandalous regularity.
They’d pop up, mamash, as priests and xtian theologists in one place, one country, then change their names and ‘rejoin’ the Jewish community again, often in leading positions as the communal rabbi and / or shtadlan and / or leading rich-guy international trader.
So it’s interesting to find Moshe Loew of Posnan – deep in the heartland of Jewish Poland – popping up in the Vatican, of all places, where he is apparently so at home, he’s able to command the Pope to only let him debate religion with 3 cardinals at a time, instead of 30.
And not only that, the Pope is happy to let him hang out in the Vatican so he can ‘re-convert’ all the apostate Jews that have shown up there, in the wake of Shabtai Tzvi.
Do you buy that, after everything we’ve been learning here together over the last few months?
Or does is sound like another Chabad story?
Another curiosity is the name of the person who Moshe Loew apparently ‘re-converted’ from xtianity at the Vatican, namely Moshe Gedaliah Gordon.
In THIS POST, I set out how the real name of the Eybshutz family was ‘Gordon’.
Here’s the relevant snippet:
“Rabbi Aaron Gordon, who was also the doctor to the king of Poland; Rabbi Yehuda Leib, who was the head of the Beth Din of Rabbi Yehoshua Heshel; Rabbi Yekutial Ben Rabbi Leib Gordon, who studied medicine in Padua, was influenced by Rabbi Moshe Haim Lucato (the RAMCHAL) and was among the signatories to the rules of the RAMCHAL group. Upon his return to Vilna he studied, in addition to medicine, Talmud and Kabalah.”
(As a side note, there is a strong possibility that this ‘Rabbi Aaron Gordon‘ who was the Polish king’s physician was actually the brother of none other than Yonatan Eybshutz – they were both sons of Rabbi Nathan Nata Gordon, the ABD of Eibenschutz.)
You can tell me that all this is just another big CO-INC-ID-ENCE – that another Gordon-Eybshutz named ‘Moshe Gedaliah’ just happened to be hanging out at the Vatican with the Alter Rebbe’s great-grandfather Moshe Loew, at exactly the same time that Yonatan Eybshutz (Gordon…) was secretly following Shabtai Tzvi, hanging out with the Jesuits in Prague and subverting a whole generation of Jews with his yeshiva and teachings….
….and at exactly the same time that another Gordon (Eybshutz…), Dr Aharon, was apparently the physician of the King of Poland.
But at this point, I don’t really believe in coincidences any more.
Here’s another point of synchronicity, with stuff we’ve already covered in other posts.
The son of the above Moshe Loew is none other than the Yesod Yosef – who we mentioned back in the first post of this series, HERE, when we were trying to figure out who Rabbi Yehuda ben Eliezer Safra deVayana (YESOD) of Vilna actually was.
Here is the relevant snippet (where I’m talking about the family tree of the poor woman who is related to the Alter Rebbe of Chabad):
Rabbi Yosef Yoske Sabatka of Dubno was a scholar, moralist and cabbalist. He became rabbi of Dubno in 1698. Known for his piety, he wrote a morality book Yesod Yosef, which was first printed in Shklov in 1785.
I also learn that this ‘Yosef Yoske Sabatka’ – the YESOD YOSEF – is the “Brother of Mrs. Aleksander Sender“…
…. If your tradition is that you are definitely descended from the Alter Rebbe, then the premise that the Alter Rebbe = Alexander Sander / Sendor seems to hold up. The information above certainly tallies with what you sent me on your family tree, so far.
The Alter Rebbe was supposed to be the 7th generation from the Maharal of Prague.And Tilla Sander (Sobotka) – the wife of Alexander Sender – was the 7th generation from the Maharal of Prague.
Back in the ‘real world’ – whatever that actually is, at this point – the ‘Yesod Yosef’ is meant to be the brother of Shneur Zalman, the grandfather of the Shneur Zalman who is the Alter Rebbe of Chabad.
But so far, here is where we’ve got to:
- The Alter Rebbe’s great-grandfather was Moshe Loew (who liked to debate with priests in the Vatican and hang out with apostate relatives of Jonathan Eybshutz…).
- The Alter Rebbe’s grandfather was Shneur Zalman, son of Moshe Loew.
- This Shneur Zalman’s brother was none other than the ‘Yesod Yosef’, who in turn is a leading candidate for the ‘YESOD’ of Vilna whose son-in-law, Shmuel ben Avigdor, was at the heart of the horrible Vilna machloket that continued on for 3 generations around the time of the Vilna Gaon.
- Shneur Zalman senior and the ‘Yesod Yosef’ have an unnamed sister, who is the wife of ‘Alexander Sender‘ (maybe the same ‘Alexander Sender’ as I’ve fingered as being the real name of the Vilna Gaon. Interestingly, they have a sibling listed on geni HERE who is marked as ‘Private’. Given that all these people lived more than 250 years ago, it’s hard to understand why that’s the case.)
- Golda Berliner, wife of Hart Lyon / Hirshl Lobell / Zvi Hirsh Berliner, is directly connected to the Alter Rebbe and his family, in ways I hope to set out clearly in the next post.
- Golda Berliner and Zvi Hirsh Berliner are meant to be the parents of the notorious Sabbatean / Frankist Schondl Dobrushka, wife of ‘Solomon Dobrushka’, mother of Moses Dobrushka / Junius Frey, and cousin of Jacob Frank.
- Golda Berliner and Zvi Hirsh Berliner are also meant to be the aunt and uncle of Abraham Peretz, notorious convert to xtianity and son-in-law of rich maskil-cum-pretend-orthodox-rabbi, Yehoshua Zeitlin, who in turn is also connected, somehow, to the Alter Rebbe and his descendants.
- Golda Berliner and Zvi Hirsh Berliner are also closely related to Jacob Frank – but we haven’t managed to pin down the connection yet. But with God’s help, we will.
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