lie has no legs

Today, I had two emails from two different people, both basically asking me if Breslov is also ‘Frankist’.

I’ve covered this a couple of times, in different ways, in different places on the blog, but I took all this as a hint that Hashem is moving things to the stage where He wants things more clearly spelled out.

So here goes.

Let’s start with what was happening more than 200 years ago, and how so much of the schmutz that actually belongs to Chabad, and their family tree, was (and actually still is….) being projected onto Rebbe Nachman, and Breslov.

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This is the first email I got on the subject today:

I’m reading this back article of yours [Close Mishpocha] from another one called Beating swords…

I’m reading down the story of Rav Nachman and I’m sickened by it… leaving his newborn son with Frankists to raise…?

How is all of this not Sabatean…? How is Rav Nachman and Breslov not treif as the day is long…? How can u be a follower…?

I don’t get it… please clarify… and this time you can’t just say Rav Nachman is the exception… the pearl or the diamond that miraculously emerged out from the mud… come on… for crying out loud… he himself left a son of his behind to become a pagan idolater and a who knows what else morality wise…

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You can go back and read the Close Mishpocha article for yourself HERE, and I highly recommend that you do, before continuing, as there’s lots of new stuff to cover and absorb in this post.

Here is what I replied to my correspondent:

I checked the story of R Nachman’s son, and it’s made up.

Basically, Athol Bloomer is a Frankist descendent, ‘Hebrew Christian’. When I first started doing all this research, his stuff about Rebbe Nachman was one of the first things I came across, and I was totally shocked by it.
So I started digging, and it took me about two months to figure out that Athol Bloomer still has close ties to Chabad, and that basically all the Frankist connections from Chabad were being ‘projected’ onto Rebbe Nachman, and scrubbed out of the picture for the Alter Rebbe and his descendents.
Rebbe Nachman does descend from some Sabbateans on his father’s side, but it seems that his grandfather Nachman Horodenka was trying to make some sincere teshuva, which is why he left his son, Rebbe Nachman’s father Simcha, in the care of the BESHT to raise as a very young child, even though he himself was still alive.
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There are a lot of mysteries to figure out still.

And one daughter of Rebbe Nachman did marry a grandson of the Alter Rebbe, Aharon Zaslavski, as a second marriage after her father died, and that Aharon Zaslvaski is in the middle of a LOT of open Frankists, same as all the Chabad Rebbes.
There are some diamonds in the dirt of these families. The BESHT is also from these ‘interesting’ people, the ARIZAL is also from these ‘interesting people’, and Rabbenu also is.
Where you have the biggest tumah, you also have the biggest light.
See here, for another discussion of how Athol Bloomer mixes up a lot of facts with fiction, apparently deliberately, even when it’s not as explosive as Rebbe Nachman and Chabad:
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You can find an interview with Athol Bloomer on the ‘Association for Hebrew Catholics’ website HERE.

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So, we have to ask ourselves:

Why would a missionising ‘Hebrew Catholic’ who descends from a number of Frankist families be trying to put shmutz on Breslov and Rebbe Nachman, while effectively covering things up for Chabad?

Again, go back and read Close Mishpocha in detail, but the basic point is this:

Time again, I have found stuff ‘projecting’ Chabad’s dirty laundry and dodgy business onto Breslov.

The Alter Rebbe had a son, Moshe Schneuri, who was PROVEN to have converted out to xtianity at least once, and yet all that got buried and covered up, while Athol Bloomer’s claims about ‘Frankist Rebbe Nachman’ got air time even on the Kotzker blog, which usually makes a lot more effort to try and clarify historical information, before posting it up.

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Why am I a follower of Rebbe Nachman and Breslov?

Because right from the beginning, I found that Rabbenu’s advice and guidance really worked, to help me become a better person, and more connected to God and the spiritual side of things.

I read books like Rebbe Nachman’s Advice, or Wisdom (English translations of Sichot HaRan, Chayei Moharan) and I was amazed that here was a rabbi – a rebbe! – who was also struggling, sometimes, with feelings of yeoush. Who also could say that he knew absolutely nothing. Who could also own up to his faults and difficulties, in his service of Hashem, and show other people the way to get past bad middot like anger and depression.

It totally blew me away.

Because it was REAL.

It wasn’t hagiographic pap, like pretty everything else you’ll ever read about every Jewish rabbi or rebbe or leader.

The writings about Rebbe Nachman showed a real person, with real struggles, who managed to overcome his yetzer hara and break it, to become ‘Rebbe Nachman of Breslov’.

And then, he left behind a ton of practical advice on how we could also follow in his footsteps, and do the same.

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Rabbenu talks about his followers knowing the ‘real Hungarian wine’ of chassidut, because they’ve already tasted the good stuff, the real teachings that CAN help them to overcome their issues and bad middot, and feelings of despair.

There are a whole bunch of cheap imitations out there, as we’re increasingly discovering.
But anyone who is sincerely trying to follow Rabbenu’s path of doing an hour of hitbodedut a day, and dancing and clapping when hit by harsh judgements, and reading the Tikkun HaKlali, and paying pidyonot, and going to Uman – they will tell you that it works.
If you stick with it, life starts to be incomparably sweeter, and you find that slowly, slowly, truth and light expands more and more in your soul, and the darkness and bad middot start to get squeezed out.
So, I follow Breslov and Rebbe Nachman because it works to make me a better person, and to help me overcome my yetzer hara and stick closer to God.
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Now, let’s get back to the historical side of things.

Breslov was ‘unusual’ right from the start.
Right from the start, while all the other Sabbatean-Frankist ‘chassiduts’ were rubbing each other’s backs and bigging each other up (internercine fights over which ‘rebbe’ should inherit the movement not withstanding) – the main Sabbatean-Frankist families were fanatically ‘anti’ Breslov, anti-Rabbenu, and ‘anti’ his teachings, especially about prayer.

They ‘projected’ their own Sabbatean-Frankist leanings onto Rabbenu himself, and started persecuting him and his followers mercilessly.

After Rabbenu’s death, the persecution went up levels and levels, with the leaders of the other chassiduts basically telling their followers it was OK to even murder Breslovers, and that every attempt should be made to persecute them economically and socially.
An assassin was even sent to murder Rabbi Natan Sternhertz, the Rebbe’s main pupil and editor of the Likutey Moharan, in his bed.

But the assassin broke into the wrong house in Breslov, and murdered the wrong ‘Rabbi Natan’.

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And this persecution of Breslov and its leaders and followers wasn’t a ‘one off’.

It has continued down the years, almost non-stop.
I highly recommend you go and read the book Untold Tales of the Hasidim: Crisis and Discontent in the History of Hasidism, by Professor David Assaf. Chapter Three, in particular, describes some of the ongoing persecution being meted out by the other chassidic leaders themselves, to Breslov and its followers:
(You can download the full PDF of this for free on ReseachGate, HERE.)
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This fanatical persecution of Breslov by other chassiduts always puzzled me a great deal.

I could understand the secular, xtian, authorities persecuting chassidut; I could kind of understand the (made-up….) ‘dispute’ between the Litvaks and Chabad (which I now think is another deliberate Chabad distortion of history, to hide what was really going on behind this argument, as I’ve written about elsewhere.)

But I just couldn’t understand why other chassidic rebbes would literally send people to try and murder Rav Natan in his bed….

Until now.
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Rabbenu is the only one who was openly writing about ‘Jewish demon scholars’.

He was the only one speaking about Jacob Frank, for posterity.
And from what I can see, at this stage, there were literally just a handful of rabbis and rebbes left when Rebbe Nachman was alive, who hadn’t been ‘infected’ by the Sabbatean-Frankist heresy.
Even after Rabbenu died, the Savraner Rebbe (from the Wertheimer family of court Jew Frankists) wanted to marry his oldest daughter, Odel, after she was widowed – and R’ Natan told her not to do it.

Because he knew that it was part of the ongoing Sabbatean-Frankist attempt to ‘subvert’ Breslov, too, after Rabbenu’s death.

And this is also why there was no ‘Rebbe’ after Rabbi Nachman, because any subsequent ‘Rebbe’ could have been corrupted down the line, and if not him, his children, by intermarrying with the Sabbatean-Frankist ‘rebbes’ all around.
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Are you starting to see, how so many of the ‘mysteries’ around Breslov start to clear up, magically, once you understand the true ‘Sabbatean-Frankist’ context?

So now, let’s talk a bit about what started to happen 50-60 years ago, when Rav Berland came on the scene, and started bringing in a whole bunch of baal teshuvainto Meah Shearim.

Today, it’s the yahrtzeit of Rabbi Levi Yitzhak Bender, zt’l.

Rabbi Levi Yitzhak was one of the last true Breslovers to be by the Rebbe on Rosh Hashanah, before the communists effectively made the gatherings illegal, and murdered most of the small, spiritually-sincere group of Breslovers left in Uman, before WW2.
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You have to understand, that real Breslov was NEVER politically connected.

It’s followers were NEVER wealthy businessmen and merchants with government connections and askanim.
Breslov only ever attracted people who really wanted to learn how to serve God, and overcome their own bad middot.
When Rav Levi Yitzhak Bender made it to Meah Shearim after the war, he found a tiny group of Yiddish speaking ‘Breslovers’ most of whom were not actually keeping Rabbenu’s instructions – at all – about things like doing hitbodedut, getting up for chatzot, reciting the Tikkun Haklali etc.

So, the true ‘flame’ of Rabbenu was kept alive by R’ Levi Yitzhak – who most people had never heard of, because he kept a very low profile for most of his life.

That flame only started to develop into the roaring fire of Breslov today, when Rabbi Berland came along and started learning from R’ Levi Yitzhak, and bringing baal teshuvas into Meah Shearim.
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There’s so much to say, but let’s sum it up like this:

Most of ‘old school’ Meah Shearim, including the Breslov bits of it, descend from Sabbatean-Frankist families who still have strong links, even today, with the secular Zionist state of Israel. Just it’s all hidden.

So, when a sincere outsider like Rav Berland showed up, and now he’s bringing in a bunch of baalei teshuva who want to do things properly – and presumably, who could also start blowing the whistle on all the disgusting, abusive ‘minhagim’ we’ve been learning about recently, that go on in these hard-core Sabbatean-Frankist communities – he quickly became Enemy Number One for the ‘Breslov’ psychos in Meah Shearim.
And the rest is history.
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Let’s pull this back around to Chabad, now.

Chabad ‘historian’ Chaim Dalfin put out a book a while ago called ‘Breslov & Chabad’.

I learnt a lot from that book, which at some point, I hope to come back to.

For now, it’s enough to know that I learnt that the only reason Chabad has a tent up in Uman on Rosh Hashana is because they are trying to do ‘outreach’ for Chabad there; and that some of Breslov’s ‘newer’ leaders, like the Koenigs of Tsfat, actually come from long-time Chabad families.

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Why am I mentioning this?

Because as Breslov’s ‘star’ started to rise, around 50 years ago, and as Rabbenu’s teachings lit up the hearts of hundreds of thousands of baalei teshuva – the Sabbatean-Frankists suddenly woke up to the ‘threat’ of what was happening, and all of a sudden, Breslov was flooded by a bunch of ‘new Breslov’ leaders.

People like R’ Eliezer Shick, the so-called ‘Tzaddik of Yavniel’. And people like R’ Gedaliah Koenig, a chabadnick, who built up Kiryat Breslov in Tsfat right on the most historically significant bit of the Old City – completely destroying what was underneath.

And people like R Yaakov Meir Shechter, the rabbi of the official Breslov shule in Meah Shearim that is home to the Breslov psychos (who are part of the extended Schneerson family…) who have been the main, State-sponsored persecutors of Rav Berland.

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And of course, there are also the Na Nachs, and people like R Yoel Roth, who grew up in strong Satmar chassidic homes, but all of a sudden, are now Breslov.

Which brings us on to the second email about Breslov I got today:

Did you read this?

Snippet:

Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced Tuesday that his daughter Noa had given birth to a baby boy. The child is the fifth grandchild of Netanyahu. Netanyahu received the news while visiting London.

Netanyahu’s daughter Noa, 42, is a ‘ba’alat teshuva’ (returnee to Orthodox Judaism). She is married to Danny (Daniel) Roth, and the two are members of the Breslov hasidic sect and live in the Mea Shearim neighborhood of Jerusalem.

The children of Noa and Daniel are named Rachel, David and Shmuel. Noa is the daughter of Miki Haran – Netanyahu’s first wife.

And this:

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Netanyahus-controversial-lawyer-also-connected-to-PMs-son-in-law-474255

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I checked out Daniel Roth, Netanyahu’s son-in-law, a couple of years ago, when I was first getting into all this.

The Roth’s aren’t Breslov.

If they are anything, they are Chabad.

(From HERE.)

Or maybe, Gur:

If you go HERE, it’s an old ynet article about the bris of their second son, which links the Roths to R’ Avigdor Nebanzahl and Yeshivat Netiv Aryeh.

Point is, none of these people and places are Breslov.

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This snippet about Daniel Roth comes from Ha’aretz, HERE:

For some years, DanielRoth has been trying to launch a business based on ties between Israel and China. Among other things, he founded companies and a public-benefit corporation, through the law firm of Netanyahu’s close associate David Shimron.

This screenshot comes from the Jpost, HERE:

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Now, take a look at this blog post about ‘Danny Roth’ from the Times of Israel, back in 2016:

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In case you were wondering, ‘IoT’ stands for ‘Internet of Things’.

Snippet:

Danny Roth is helping build greater trade and deal flow between Israel and China.

His China Israel Exchange develops programs and initiatives with government, academia, and industry, with the goal of strengthening the economic and cultural ties with both nations.

Focusing on digital health, Roth has an upcoming road show of Israeli companies…the program will feature 16 Israeli companies in IoT (Internet of Things) and digital health….

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Remember, this was six years ago, already.

When Covid 19 was still just a twinkle in Netanyahu’s eye.

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HERE is the main website for Roth’s China Israel Exchange, still going strong.

Here is it’s mission statement:

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We’ll stop here.

You can just go on for ever with this stuff, but I just wanted to really spell out that there are HUGE differences between Breslov chassidut and Rabbenu’s path, and all the other ‘Sabbatean-Frankist’ groups out there.

I’m not saying that all of Breslov is good.

There is a ton of ‘fake’ Breslov too, today, as more and more people have tried to hitch their wagon to Rabbenu’s rising star.

And I’m not saying that things that aren’t Breslov are automatically ‘bad’.

The birur continues one person, one soul at a time.

And even if people come from ‘bad’ families, they can always make teshuva, and become some of the best people in the world.

Especially if they’re following Rabbenu’s advice, and treading in his footsteps to get out of the muck.

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9 replies
  1. JR
    JR says:

    “And this is also why there was no ‘Rebbe’ after Rabbi Nachman, because any subsequent ‘Rebbe’ could have been corrupted down the line, and if not him, his children, by intermarrying with the Sabbatean-Frankist ‘rebbes’ all around.”

    That’s not the “official” (if there’s such a thing) story:
    Here’s from breslov.org:
    “Although Rebbe Nachman had two sons, both died in infancy. Even if they had survived, there is no evidence that Rebbe Nachman ever intended to establish a Chassidic dynasty. When Rebbe Nachman passed away his followers saw no one on the same outstanding level to take his place.”
    Do you consider this site unreliable?

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      Some of the things they say and write and particular to them, and their viewpoint. They aren’t ‘official Breslov’ – there’s no such thing. You go back to the books that Rav Natan wrote, and most of this is explained very clearly in those books, without any further commentary necessary.

      In any event, it’s clear that Rabbenu didn’t want a ‘ chassidic dynasty’, and that it was extremely difficult for his children to find ‘appropriate’ matches.

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  2. Leonardo
    Leonardo says:

    I’m just a Ben Noach interested in Breslov and i have been following your site for at least a month, for sure you are more immersed in the details of these relations but some things you said don’t seem right to me.
    Wasn’t Eliezer Schick also a disciple of R’ Levi Yitzchak Bender like R’ Berland? There’s a sefer of collected talks and stories from R’ Bender as told by R’ Schick.
    Yoel Roth being a disciple of R’ Schick doesn’t make “all of a sudden a breslov” sound right. Is there a difference because he was brought up religious instead of being a baal teshuvah?
    Aren’t the others breslovers at least coming from valid Breslov mesorah? From Avraham Sternhartz for example.

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      You are asking some valid questions, and I honestly don’t know.

      I am continuing to check into things, and to pray God will show us all what’s really going on.

      I had a friend who lived in R Schick’s community, and there were things that surprised me, including how he told people to stop doing hitbodedut, and instead to recite certain sets of tehillim every day instead.

      I was puzzled, how R Shick felt he could ‘replace’ Rabbenu’s core advice to do hitbodedut every day – preferably for an hour – with his own ideas about reciting tehillim. Tehillim are ALSO great, but they aren’t hitbodedut, where you really start to know yourself, and to connect yourself back to Hashem in a fundamental way.

      I know R Shick also had possession of the Megillat Setorim, but I don’t know how he happened to have that, especially as he was a newcomer to the Breslov movement. Who gave it to him?

      Re: Yoel Roth – anyone can join Breslov, FFB, baal teshuva, the background doesn’t matter so much. What matters is whether you teach Rabbenu’s etzot, and really practise them yourself.

      And if you’re not going to do those things, and you already have your own ‘chassidic mesorot’ – then why change horses? What’s the point?

      Again, I’m asking questions here, I don’t know what the answers are, but I do know from personal experience that there have been a lot of ‘fakers’ in Breslov, and that down the years, Breslov has been a key target for spiritual subversion by outsiders with hidden agendas.

      If you can post up the name of the book you refer to, with R Shick’s collection of R Levi Bender’s teachings (which I’ve never heard of before), or links to any other information that can be verified and checked, that would be very useful.

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  3. Efraim Yochanan ben Avraham
    Efraim Yochanan ben Avraham says:

    The reference about the Jewish demons is made by Bal Shem Tov in his teaching about the three types of galut…….1. the galut of the jewish people between the nations…. 2. the galut-suffering of the talmidei chachamim from the “am haaretz”….. 3. the prosecution of the tzadikim from talmidei chachamim who are Jewish demons…. The second type gives power to the nations and the third , the worst, gives power to the second…

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      I am in the process of unpicking all the claims around ‘Yankel Baron’ – and it’s leading me to some very interesting stuff, that I don’t really know what to do with, about the connections between Chabad and Breslov, particularly in relation to R Avraham Sternhartz.

      Re: Athol – I read his comments on a forum where he explained how the Alter Rebbe’s teaching led him to believing in Yoshki and becoming a Catholic.

      I’ve also got a ton of stuff saved from him that has now been scrubbed off the web, and I’ve seen how so much of the story has ‘shape shifted’ from one telling to the next.

      That said, in many ways, I’m grateful to him because even in the middle of mixing all the facts up with the fiction, he gave me a lot of ‘clues’ about what is really going on in the Jewish community.

      Sabbatean-Frankists are still in the Jewish community, and still going strong. The ‘false messiah’ idealogy is still going strong (albeit with disagreements about which ‘false messiah’ people are actually following), the urge to ‘subvert Torah’ and Torah-true Jews is still going strong, the pedophilia and ‘permitting the forbidden’ is still going strong.

      And the cover up is also still going strong… but piece by piece, it’s starting to fall apart.

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      Here’s the article on the Kotzk Blog, quoting the anonymous ‘Hebrew Catholic’ who writes just like Athol Bloomer and claims to be descended from “Yaakov Baron”:

      https://www.kotzkblog.com/2018/09/192-search-for-r-nachmans-unlikely.html

      Here’s the snippet:

      “In 1808 Rebbe Nachman disappeared with his new wife to Lvov for 8 months to await the secret birth of his son named Jacob ben Rebbe Nachman (BaRoN) who he left with the Frankists to rear. This son later used the name Yankel Baron…”

      The writer then claims to be descended from Yankel Baron.

      “Yankel Baron (b.1808 Lvov) married Bracha Zaslavski (b.1819) a daughter of Aharon Zaslavski and Chaya (b.1801) a daughter of Rebbe Nachman [i.e. he married his niece]. Bracha’s sister Miriam Chaya Zaslavski (1820-1860) married Michael Brennan (b.1820 Sheklov) a grandson of Rabbi Nathan (Nosan) of Nemirov the Chief Disciple of Rebbe Nachman. Michael’s father was Moshe ben Rabbi Nathan of Nemirov (BReNaN/ BRENN) who became a follower of the Alter Rebbe’s son Moshe ben Schneur Zalman [who had become the leader of the Jewish Catholics (secret Frankists)]. Moshe (b.1795 d.1865 Kilkenny Ireland) and his wife Sarah Auerbach (b.1807) (daughter of Adil and R. Yoska) was removed from the family tree and records of the family by the Jewish community…”

      According to this account, Moshe, the son of R. Shneur Zalman of Liadi married into the family of R. Nachman. (The reader is urged to read the full story of Moshe as per link above.)[4]

      He continues:

      “…I do not want people to misunderstand my tree – not everyone on it became Catholics. The descendants of Yaacov Baron and Bracha (Brocho) Zaslavski remained mostly Jewish. It is Miriam Chaya Zaslavski and Michael Brennan that became Catholics. Their daughter Mary Phoebe (Miriam Feige) Brennan reverted to orthodox Jewish…””

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      You might want to bring this account to Athol’s attention, so he can consider amending his “correction” that says he never claimed to be descended from Yaakov Baron – amongst other things, that are also being slowly unpicked and verified, to see where the truth really lies.

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