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How Khazar Kings became ‘HaKohen al-Khazari’

Remember the discussion of the non-Jew who wanted to convert just so he could get to wear the clothes of the Kohen HaGadol?

I always found that idea a little far-fetched, if I’m honest.

What, you are going to turn your whole life around, keep Shabbat, keep kosher, get circumcised, etc, just for the chance to wear a fancy turban and a tunic with pomegranate adornments on its hem?!

Really?

But not for the first time, I’m understanding that nothing our Sages taught was stam.

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In this post, we’re going back to that ‘Jewish king’ of the Khazars, Sabriel / Bulan, to uncover a few more mysteries.

(Click to read Part 1 and Part 2 of this series of posts, tracing the links between Khazars, Karaites – and Kristians.)

Just to recap, there are at least two versions of the story of how Khazar came to have a ‘Jewish’ king.

The more mainstream story, as brought down in the Kuzari (which was written 400 years after the event is meant to have occurred….) is that the Khazarian King ‘Bulan’ wants to stop being a pagan, for unspecified reasons, so brings a Jew, a xtian, and a muslim to ‘dispute’ with him, so he can pick which religion he wants.

The Jewish rabbi – identified as Isaac Sangari – persuades the King, and hey presto, he converts to Judaism along with his subject.

Isaac Sangari is buried in the Karaite cemetery in the Crimea.

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Then, there’s a second story, that seems to me to be more factually correct, based on the letter found in the Cairo Geniza by Solomon Shechter.

That letter, between a Karaite Jew and a Sephardi, basically says that a bunch of Persian and Armenian Jews fled to Khazaria to escape ‘persecution’ from the authorities.

As at that time, the Muslim authorities basically gave the Jewish community leader called the Exilarch the political power to rule over his own Jewish community; and also as the Karaites themselves explain that the ‘Exilarch’ was usually a senior ‘Rabbiner’ Jew – i.e. a Jew who actually believed in the Talmud and the Oral Law, and that they were being ‘persecuted’ for not following it by the Exilarchs –

We can deduce that most if not all of the ‘Jews’ who were fleeing to Khazaria at this time were heretics, of one stripe or another, including a lot of Karaites, but also including a lot of Jewish-Gnostics, and followers of the (demonic, half-Jewish, formerly xtian-gnostic-Jewish) Prophet Mani.

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According to this second, repressed story, one of these Jewish heretics, ‘Sabriel-Bulan’, joined the Khazar nobility, then somehow rose up the ranks to become King of Khazar.

And then his Jewish wife, Serach, convinced him to ‘come out of the closet’ as a Jew, at that point, and to make public teshuva.

Of course, if his country was already filled with a bunch of closet Jewish heretics running away from Rabbinic rules in Persia and Armenia, that would explain how overnight, ‘Khazaria’ apparently acquired a sizeable Jewish population.

And it would also explain how the Karaites were such a strong segment of the Jewish community in Khazar, which otherwise doesn’t make so much sense.

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Now, let’s see what supporting evidence we can find for both, or either, of these stories – and what else we can learn about was really going on in and around Khazaria, at that time.

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EXHIBIT 1: THE GENI FAMILY TREE FOR KING SABRIEL-BULAN

You can find that HERE, screenshot below:

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This family tree shows that the uncle of ‘Bulan-Sabriel’s father was none other than the Eastern Roman Emperor, Justinian II.

Justinian II was one of the cruellest Caesars of what we know as ‘the Byzantines’.

Before we get to him, let’s take a step back and try to understand who these ‘Byzantines’ really were.

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By the 6th century, the Roman Empire was so huge, it broke in half.

There was the Western Roman Empire, with its capital in Rome, and its popes in the Vatican – which effectively ended in 476 CE, with the sack of Rome.

And then there was the Eastern Roman Empire, with its capital city in Constantinople (now modern-day Istanbul)  – which continued on for around another 1000 years, in various forms.

Snippet from HERE:

According to most Western history books, the Roman Empire ended in AD 476, when the last emperor, Romulus Augustulus, was deposed.

Here is where Orthodox Christians will object — the Roman Empire did not fall in 476; only the weak western half did.

In the East, the Empire lasted for almost another thousand years, until the Ottoman Turks captured Constantinople in 1453.

Most modern historians call this the “Byzantine Empire,” but that’s a misnomer used to hide the fact that the empire based in Constantinople was, in fact, the Roman Empire.

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That Eastern Roman Empire is known historically as ‘Byzantium’. It set up its own ‘pope’, had its own ecumenical councils, and the Emperors of the Eastern Roman Empire aggressively ‘missionized’ their version of xtianity in the territories it controlled.

Those territories include much of what became Russia and the Eastern European countries.

And that version of xtianity became known as Greek / Russian Orthodoxy.

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Now, if you go HERE, you’ll find a really good description of what a blood-thirsty, back-stabbing, plain evil ruler the Emperor Justinian II really was.

(Google translate from the Russian.)

Even as a kid, his servants were scared of him, and he had a reputation for torturing animals in barbaric ways.

As an adult, his sadistic personality really came into its own, and he kept his subjects and his neighbors in a state of abject terror with his cruelty and oppression.

Not surprisingly, there was an uprising – and in that uprising, Justinian II’s nose was slit (or cut off, depending on the version) – because there was a rule that someone with a physical deformity couldn’t be the Emperor.

Long story short, Justinian got round this by having a second prosthetic nose made out of pure gold, and staged a temporary come back with the help of the Slavs of Bulgaria.

But then, he turned on the Slavs of Bulgaria, too, and a second coup occurred that saw Justinian and his only heir, a son, murdered in the streets.

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Here’s two key points to remember about this psychotic mass-murdering Emperor, who was the defacto ‘leader’ of what we now call the Greek / Russian Orthodox xtian church:

  1. The Greek Orthodox church made this insane mass murderer a ‘Saint’.

(Screenshot from HERE:)

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2. He made a big name for himself in the church by especially persecuting the followers of the half-Jewish, xtian- gnostic-demon-worshiping ‘Prophet Mani’.

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3. He was married to a woman called ‘Theodoria of Khazaria’.

She was a princess of Khazar, and Theodoria’s brother was called Busir, the Khagan, or King of Khazar.

Busir’s children were Barjik Al-Khazari, and Princess Glaven, who married King Constantin II of AbKhazia – what we know as modern-day Georgia.

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Barjik’s son is our man, ‘Bulan-Sabriel’, the guy who is meant to have either converted to Judaism, or just come out of the closet as a pre-existing Jew.

If you check back in the Khazar family tree, it seems the Khazar kings descend from:

Mengsen of the Turks (not Jewish…)

and

Chinese Emperor Wen of Western Wei (not Jewish…)

Unless we can find some more Jewish roots for the Al-Khazari family, at this stage it looks to me that it’s more likely that ‘Bulan-Sabriel’ did convert, at least, in some fake, external way, and wasn’t a closet Jewish heretic.

Assuming, of course, that what’s described in the Kuzari is accurate.

And at this point, given how the main ‘Jewish’ protagonist in that story appears to be a Talmud-hating Karaite…. that’s starting to feel like quite a bit assumption to make.

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There’s another important detail here that provides another suggestion for how both versions of the story might at least contain some kernel of truth.

King ‘Bulan-Sabriel’ was apparently married to a Jewish woman named Serach Al-Yehudi.

I’ve seen over and over again when researching real Jewish history, that the power-hungry ‘Erev Rav’ heretics in our midst always seem to ‘infiltrate’ non-Jewish royal families by marrying their beautiful daughters to the powerful rulers.

If you pay attention to the women, that’s where the real history comes into view.

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Let’s sum up, before we move forward:

  1. There were two parts to the Roman Empire.
  2. The Western part – which is connected to ‘Roman Catholicisim’ – fell in 476 C.E.
  3. The Eastern part – which is connected to Greek / Russian Orthodoxy – only came to an end in 1453, when the Turkish Muslims captured Constantinople.
  4. The Byzantines‘ is just another name for this Eastern part of the Roman Empire.
  5. There were a number of ‘Jewish’ refugees in ‘religiously tolerant’ Khazar in the 8th century, but they seem to have been people who were ‘escaping persecution’
  6. Many of these people appear to have been ‘escaping persecution’ in Persia and Armenia by the authentically Jewish Exilarchs, who believed in the Oral Law, and were trying to enforce the Torah’s rules – i.e., the refugees in Khazaria were Jewish heretics.
  7. These ‘Jewish heretics’ included all these ‘Erev Rav’ types of Jews, like Jewish-karaites, and ‘Jewish-xtians’, and probably also some ‘Jewish-demon-worshipers’.
  8. At the same time, the (Greek Orthodox) xtian Roman Emperor Justinian II, who was a sadistic tyrant, was persecuting the followers of the Prophet Mani, called ‘Manicheans’, many of whom also fled to Khazar.
  9. Mani himself was (at most…) half-Jewish. His mother was an Armenian, and his father was part of a Jewish-xtian sect called the Elcesaites.
  10. Manicheanism continued to be a very big religion in places like China.
  11. The Khazar royal family partially descended from the Chinese Emperor Wen of Western Wei, and partially from ‘Turkic’ tribes.
  12. Justinian II married a Khazar princess he renamed ‘Theodora‘.
  13. Theodora’s brother was the grandpa of ‘Sabriel-Bulan’, the guy who is meant to have converted to Judaism after discussions with a suspected Karaite, Isaac Sangari.
  14. Sabriel-Bulan doesn’t descend from Jews himself.
  15. But, ‘Sabriel-Bulan’ was apparently married to a Jewish woman, Serach Al-Yehudi.

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At this stage, we could jump off into a million directions with this post.

Many ‘conspiracy theorists’ are saying ‘the Khazarian mafia’ is behind so much of what is going wrong in our world, and that 95% of Ashkenazi Jews are ‘Khazarian’ – i.e. blaming the Jews, and especially ‘the Rothschilds’ for everything.

The reasoning behind this idea seems go like this:

  1. The pagan, demon-worshipping Khazar King Bulan-Sabriel ‘converted to Judaism’, together with most of his kingdom in or around 740 CE.
  2. He was ‘forced’ to convert by neighboring rulers, who were sick of his evil, child-eating, pagan-worshipping, demonic ways.
  3. So, the conversion was always ‘fake’, and the ‘Khazar Jews’ secretly continued on as devil-worshipping pagans – with a really good trade network.
  4. The Khazar kingdom got into wars with what become ‘orthodox xtian’ Russia over the next 2-3 centuries, and was finally defeated and dissolved in the 10th (others claim 13th) century.
  5. Those demonic-worshipping, fake-Jewish ‘Khazars’ then blended back into the Jewish community, to become ‘Ashkenazi Jews’.
  6. The Rothschilds – amongst others – descend from these evil ‘Khazar’ fake-Jews.

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How much of this has a factual basis?

That’s really what we are trying to figure out here.

If you go HERE, you’ll find a very interesting discussion with historian Shaul Stampfner – that originally appeared in Ukrainian – discussing whether these  demonic, pagan Khazars were really ‘Jewish’ at all.

It’s entitled:

Jewish Nomads, or was the Khazar Khanite a Jewish State?

Snippet:

[A]rchaeology does not offer any proof of the conversion theory.

There are no grafitti. Some people connect the candelabras that were found during digs with Judaism, but these were not explicitly Jewish candelabra, simply a symbol of light. Burial rites did not change. Some rituals are generally banned in Judaism. But there are exceptions.

There is a coin that was made by the Khazars with the Arabic text “Moses, messenger of God”—Moses, not Mohammed.

And this proves the involvement of Jews in the production of coins in Khazaria. Jews were often specialists in this.

This may be proof of an anti-Muslim and pro-Jewish policy. But there is a saying: “One swallow does not a summer make.” It’s the same thing with coins. If the khanate had been Jewish and made coins, then there would have been more such inscriptions. But we have only one.

It is easier to state that there was a Jew who was engaged in minting coins in Khazaria.

Therefore, we still do not have proof. And when there is no proof, it is easier to say that this never happened.

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It’s possible that Shaul Stampfer – a professor of Eastern European Jewish history is just ‘covering up’.

But what really struck me was this line:

It is easier to state that there was a Jew who was engaged in minting coins in Khazaria.

Because that fits the ‘pattern’ that I’ve come across again and again and again in my research of Sabbatean-Frankists, of Erev Rav ‘court Jews’ who are engaged in minting coins, international trade – and trying to oppress and subvert the authentic, Torah-true Jewish community from within.

And even today, we see exactly the same thing going on in Ukraine, where all these dodgy, apparently ‘Jewish’ oligarchs are busy acting as middle men for the forces of evil, acting as brokers and contact points for all the dodgy international deals being done to steal Ukraine’s natural resources and use it as a bioweapons testing lab for the US and NATO.

But that doesn’t mean ‘Ukraine is a Jewish state’ – Zelensky, Kolomoisky and Pinchuk notwithstanding.

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So now, where did this theory of all Ashkenazi Jews being descendants of converted Khazarians come from?

Writer Arthur Koestler called one of his books ‘The Thirteenth Tribe‘, and that’s where he put forward this infamous theory that Ashkenazi Jews descend from converted Khazarians.

Snippet from Wikipedia:

Koestler advances the thesis that Ashkenazi Jews are not descended from the historical Israelites of antiquity, but from Khazars, a Turkic people originating in and populating an empire north of and between the Black Sea and Caspian Sea.

Koestler’s hypothesis is that the Khazars – who converted to Judaism in the 8th century – migrated westwards into current Eastern Europe (primarily Ukraine, Poland, Belarus, Lithuania, Hungary and Germany) in the 12th and 13th centuries when the Khazar Empire was collapsing.

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Apparently, Koestler believed he would eradicate anti-semitism, if he showed Ashkenazi Jews were actually from the same gene pool as the rest of Eastern Europe, just practising Judaism.

Clearly, he was totally wrong about that, and all this claim did is give anti-semites another stick to beat the real Jews with.

And that was probably the whole point.

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If you go HERE, you’ll find the family tree for Arthur Koestler on geni.

Screenshot:

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Hey, would you look at that!

He descends from the Jeiteles family – one of the main ‘Frankist Royalty’ families, connected to the Bondis, Taussigs, Rosenbergs, Brandeis’, Goldschmidts, Mayers, Schiffs and Picks.

Always the same names, always the same people.

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But now, let’s go back to ‘Bulan-Sabriel’s’ family tree, as I’ve saved the best for last.

(From HERE):

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What instantly took my eye is how these Khazarian kings –  sons with partial Jewish blood, from their mother Serakh al-Yehudi – started calling themselves ‘HaKohen al-Khazari’.

Say what?!?

All of a sudden, I remembered that long list of Karaite ‘Kahanas’, including the father-in-law of none other than the REMA himself, R‘ Shalom Hakohen Shachna (Shor) of Lublin.

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According to the ‘Karaite History’ of Allan E. Goldenthal, ‘Kahana’, or ‘Kohen Tzedek’ was historically a Karaite surname.

He himself is ‘Avrom Aryeh-Zuk Kahana’ – Zak, ‘zera kodesh’.

I can’t begin to tell you how many strange things and interesting people are connected to the Zak family tree.

It’s also at the very the heart of all the families connected to Shabtai Zvi, Jacob Frank – and Vilna.

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Here’s a few relevant snippets – but go and read the posts yourself, because there is way more info there than I can cover here.

From HERE:

In this series of articles, it will also show you how easy it was for family members to transition from Karaite Judaism to Rabbinic Judaism and back again, because even though there was a marked schism, the divide was never so huge that one could not make a leap across the chasm when necessary. 

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The next set of quote are from HERE (‘The Shalom Shakhna Controversy’):

As for family titles, these would never change. Once a HaCohen Katz, always a HaCohen Katz.

The family titles were cherished, practically held sacred, as the title is passed down from generation to generation as a badge of pride and honour…. ‘HaCohen Katz’ is such a title. It is more than simply a surname. It identified a dynasty and the rabbinical families respected these dynastic titles enough that no one ever tried to purloin or adopt such a title from another family if they were not entitled to it. It would be considered sacrilege to do so….

A member of the HaCohen Katz family suddenly calling himself Kahana, just wouldn’t happen, yet here are the biographers, the genealogists wanting you to believe this is exactly what did happen.

Heralding from the Schorr family, the last name [HaKohen Katz] could be an indication along with Charif or Sharif of the priestly function of preparing and presenting the burnt offering in the Temple.

As a high priestly family, the denotation of their purpose was not unusual, in the same way that other priestly families were denoted for their musical and singing abilities or their capacity to serve in the Temple as scribes.

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Shalom Shakhna Schorr [REMA’s f-i-l] had been so strict in his interpretation of the law, basing his rulings on religious precepts, that even in Rome they had been paying close attention, adopting many of the same rulings made by this Rabbi from Lublin.

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[R’ Shalom Hakohen Shakhna Shor] owed his public standing to the most part based on the connections he and his family maintained with the government authorities, including the court of King Sigismund I.

In 1541, Shakhna was officially appointed chief rabbi of Poland by the king as a reward for his collaboration. In this capacity, he mediated between the authorities and the Jewish community, and his appointment was meant to ensure the collection of taxes by any means, even by the power of excommunication that he wielded.

But he also wielded the authority to impose the death penalty, which was far more reason for anyone to pay their taxes than the threat of excommunication. The acceptance of his role meant following in the footsteps of his father and grandfather, both of whom were the tax collectors for the Polish monarchy, ensuring that they shook the pockets of the Jewish community for every kopec owed, for which they were richly rewarded.

His father Yosef also operated a money lending business from which they wielded a tremendous amount of power over the Jewish community due to the personal indebtedness of certain families.

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 In a description of one of the more severe punishments meted out by its singular judge and jury, being Shalom Shakhna, “a wicked man of evil deeds,” who’s crime appears to be that he was reporting secretly to the Polish government about the Jewish community and its leader, was to have his eyes plucked from his skull and his tongue torn out.

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OK, what’s going on here?

And how does it connect to Karaites, Sabbatean-Frankists and the ‘Khazarian mafia’?

This is how these dots seem to be connecting up to me, but of course, go do your own research and come to your own (considered, fact-based) conclusions.

  • It seems more and more obvious that at least one branch of the Sadducees (who remember, took over most of the ruling and priestly functions in the Hasmonean Kingdom of Israel, operating at the time of the Second Temple) morphed into what we know as ‘Karaites’.

Remember, ‘Sadducee’ comes from the Hebrew name ‘Tzadukim’.

Snippet from HERE:

The Zadokite priesthood held office over the Temple of Jerusalem since the time of Solomon, although lost during the Babylonian Captivity and reestablished during the Persian Empire, and it is said to have passed to Onias I around the time of Alexander the Great. Antiquites of the Jews says that Onias I received Alexander the Great in Jerusalem…

  • These Sadducee-Karaites dipped in and out of ‘authentic Judaism’ as it suited them.
  • These Sadducee-Karaites (and other Jewish heretics) were very heavily represented in the Kingdom of Khazar.
  • King ‘Bulan-Sabriel”s Jewish wife Serach was very probably a Sadducee-Karaite.
  • Sadducee-Karaite’s don’t stick to halacha – they chop and change things to suit themselves, and their current circumstances.
  • Bulan-Sabriel’s ‘Sadducee-Karaite-Jewish’ sons decide they are going to call themselves ‘HaKohen Al-Kuzari’ – i.e. start identifying themselves as high priests. When you remember that The Zadokite [Sadducee] priesthood held office over the Temple of Jerusalem since the time of Solomon – this starts to make way more sense.
  • The regular Jewish community (‘Rabbinates’) tended to shun the Karaite community, and avoid intermarrying with them, not least because their genealogy, including practising patrilineal descent, makes them ‘genealogically unfit’.

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Now, let’s drill down to specifics.

In another post about the Karaites of Crimea, Goldenthal says this:

Even in the Sefer Khazarim, which tells the story of Rabbi Isaac of Sangar, the rabbi makes certain that he pays homage to the Priests and Levites, as if they were still performing their services, as if not wishing to offend the King.

The reality may have been that the Priestly functions may have been performed exactly as had been done in the days of the first Temple.

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This screenshot comes from Allen Goldenthal’s ‘Karaite History’, HERE.

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Circled at the top is R’ Akiva HaKohen Katz of Salonica.

He’s the ancestor of (Sadducee-Karaite) R’ Shalom HaKohen Shakna Shor, the chief rabbi of Lublin with close connections to the Polish Monarchy, and the REMA’s father-in-law. And also, of R’ Shabtai Ashkenazi Hakohen Katz – the SHACH, who is my candidate for the true identity of false messiah Shabtai Tzvi.

In my old blog, I did a long post about how ‘R’ Akiva HaKohen Katz of Salonica”s family tree was a huge, deliberate mess, and also, about his strange links to ‘Eli HaKohen’, vis:

Speculative Evidence: R’ Akiva HaCohen Katz of Salonika

As it turns out there is a tantalizing factoid in the literature which the current yDNA findings may eventually corroborate. R’ Akiva HaCohen Katz of Salonika (ca. 1360-1400), according to legend and several rabbinical genealogies, is reported to have been a direct descendant Eli the High Priest, a Biblical personage during the time of the Judges and Samuel.

Eli is described in the Bible as a direct patriline descendant of Aharon the Priest via his son Ithamar (the same Ithamar claimed as a Priestly ancestor by the Samaritans).

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Long story short….I am now coming to the conclusion that there is a direct link between these (Sadducee-Karaite) ‘Hakohen Katzs’ that lead directly to Shabtai Tzvi and the Frankist families, and the (Sadducee-Karaite) fake ‘HaKohen Al-Kuzaris’ of the Khazar empire.

I have a lot more avenues to explore, and a lot more things to try to pin down, to really make that stand up in real time.

But that’s now the conclusion I’m coming to.

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To put this another way – it’s not so much that the ‘Jewish Rothschilds’ infiltrated into all these Royal Families etc to take them over, but rather, that these ‘fake Jewish’, anti-Torah, anti-‘rabbinic’ Erev Rav Sadducee-Karaites have been trying to take over the real Jewish community from within – for at least the last 2,500 years.

I’m truly starting to think that all the ‘false messiah’ problems we’ve had as a people – starting with the Sadducee-Yoshki himself – come back to these people.

They pull the same trick each time, wheedling up to the non-Jewish royalty to gain power and office within the Jewish community itself, and then abusing that power to enrich themselves and to try and pull the real Jews away from the Torah.

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Just take a look at the SHOR family – always the SHOR family!

The Sadducee-Karaite R’ Shalom Hakohen Shakna Shor of Lublin – the REMA-s F-I-L- has a great-grandson called Ephraim Zalman SHOR – author of Tevuot SHOR, and brother of Avraham Haim SHOR, ancestor of the Alter Rebbe of Chabad.

Ephraim Zalman’s son is Elisha Shor Wolowski.

He’s the head of the secret Sabbateans who ends up converting out to Catholicism, along with Jacob Frank, together with most of his children. And his daughter, Chaya, is one of the most promiscuous ‘female prophets’ of the Sabbatean-Frankist movement.

Now, go back and read this post, from a few months’ ago:

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OK, let’s stop there.

Another monster post, with lots more things to try to pin down, not least this split between the Eastern and Western parts of the Roman Empire.

And how the heretic Jews in our community (who really perhaps aren’t even halachic Jews…) are trying to ‘take sides’ in that battle between the chiefs of Esav…

But a lot more pieces are starting to slot into place, finally.

TBC

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PS: Also go back and read this post, with lots more SHOR connections to the NWO:

Always the same names, always the same people.

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UPDATE:

I’m really just adding things here to keep all the information together, going forward.

On this Georgian history website, HERE, I found the following snippets:

In 737, Mervan ibn Muhammad, a famous Arab commander and later caliph, after capturing most of Transcaucasia, moved to Khazaria from two sides: through the Chora (Derbent Gate) and Daryal. He inflicted a crushing defeat on the Khazars, forcing the khagan to temporarily practice Islam

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[T]he formation of the personality of Leon II was greatly influenced by his Khazar mother, who, unlike her sister Chichak (Irina), most likely professed either the traditional pagan or innovative Jewish religion, which King Obadiah made the state religion of Khazaria in the early 9th century…

…also think about the symbolism of the oldest tier of the 10th century palace in Lykhny, on the northern facade of which there is a cross inscribed in the six-pointed star of David.

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Some representatives of the Turkic — speaking Jewish nationalities-Karaites and Krymchaks, as well as Iranian-speaking mountain Jews-consider themselves descendants of the Khazars.

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The question is: what – or who – does that ‘Star of David’ really represent?

Because at this stage, we know it was something that the externally-Jewish, Sabbatean demon-worshipping ‘Baal Shems’ introduced widely to the Jewish community. But only over the last 2-300 years.

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I also found THIS – about some apparently non-Jewish Turkic ‘Keraites’ in the same region, who may or may not also be part of the mix, here:

The Keraites were one of the five dominant Mongol or Turkic tribal confederations (khanates) in the Altai-Sayan region during the 12th century. They had converted to the Church of the East (Nestorianism) in the early 11th century…

Rashid al-Din, the official historian of the Mongol court in Persia, in his Jami al-Tawarikh states that the Keraites were Christians.

William of Rubruck, who encountered many Nestorians during his stay at Mongke Khan’s court and at Karakorum in 1254–1255, notes that Nestorianism in Mongolia was tainted by shamanism and Manicheism and very confused in terms of liturgy, not following the usual norms of Christian churches elsewhere in the world.

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We need to take a closer look at ‘Manicheism’, probably.

Maybe, after I actually do a bit of cleaning of Pesach.

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6 replies
  1. vivian corey
    vivian corey says:

    Wow Rifka kol hakvod!I remember reading on one of my Moshiach blogs that the land of Magog might be connected to Mongolia.Also,the Ukraine is near what used to be Khazaria and also Georgia so its logical that “Gog”vMagog might actually be the battle that originated in this oart of the world.Hag Kasher VSameach!!

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  2. JR
    JR says:

    “It’s possible that Shaul Stampfer – a professor of Eastern European Jewish history is just ‘covering up’.”

    Let’s review where Stampfer is coming from. The fact is that there really is not much material surviving from the Khazar empire, and even less material about the conversion to Judaism. So there was some sort of consenses that there had been some sort of conversion, but perhaps it was limited to the Khazar elite. In parallel with that consensus, there arose alternative theories that made claims for a more widespread conversion, some even going as far to claim that Ashkenazic Jews were in fact descendants of these Khazar converts.
    Then an Israeli historian, Moshe Gil who very late in his career published an article claiming that the whole conversion story was a myth. This itself was radical, because the consensus was that there was some conversion, however limited or inconsequential.
    So Stampfer (who had earlier revealed concealed truths concerning the closing of the Volozhin Yeshiva) started to look into the issue himself. You can watch him lecture on the topic in youtube.

    Also note that the Schechter Letter, if it was in fact addressed to Ibn Shaprut would date it some 200 years after the alleged conversion.

    ודן את כל האדם לכף זכות
    כל החושד בכשרים לוקה בגופו

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      Wow, Moshiach must be close.

      This is probably the first comment you’ve made that contains some objective, useful information that could actually move the conversation forward.

      Thank you.

      BTW – do you believe in the Covid 19 vaccination?

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  3. האיש
    האיש says:

    A FEW THOUGHTS ?
    SNIPET:
    These revelations have forced Americans to confront the fact that the current U.S. President directly benefited by the systems of graft and corruption which he oversaw while viceroy of a Nazi-infested Ukraine during Obama’s reign.

    https://www.sott.net/article/466252-New-revelations-shed-light-on-Nazi-roots-of-House-of-Saxe-Coburg-Gotha

    SNIPET:
    When Hitler invaded Ukraine, for many it was a liberation from communism and openly celebrated, and soon led to the creation of the 14th SS-Volunteer Division “Galician” (later, the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS, 1st Galician). It was nearly annihilated in the Lvov-Sandomierz Offensive (1944). What remained was regrouped as the Ukrainian National Army (UNA), under the German High Command (OKH) and led by General Pavlo Shandruk (1889-1979).

    https://www.sott.net/article/466225-The-Nazis-of-Ukraine

    SNIPET:
    The Unknown War, a documentary series released in 1978, focuses entirely on the events of WW2 from the perspective of the Soviet Union. It is sympathetic to the immense struggle of all the soviet peoples in their fight against fascism

    https://www.sott.net/article/466290-Documentary-of-the-liberation-of-Ukraine-by-the-Red-Army

    SNIPET:
    As the scandal surrounding the Bucha massacre grows, new elements prove that this episode is indeed worthy of the mass graves of Timisoara, between the disinformation of the New York Time which releases satellite images that do not hold water, the Ukraine which releases the video of a drone taken on another day, and the truth which appears in the video filmed by the Ukrainian troops in charge of “cleaning the city”.

    https://www.sott.net/article/466415-Bucha-massacre-when-satellite-images-and-videos-are-manipulated-to-tell-a-false-story

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