brainwashing

Here’s how we get from Frobel’s approach to education to Freudian brainwashing.

As part of my effort to get more of my tabs closed down (I’m at under 20, for the first time in months) – I’m trying to roar through as much information as I can, as quickly as I can.

So now, let’s take a deeper look at why the ‘Frobel’ approach to education was a key plank in the plan to turn us all into conforming, soul-less, unquestioning robots.

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First things first.

Go back and read this, so you know where I’m building this post from:

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Here’s the basic idea, as simply as I can put it:

Frobel was the frontman for a system of re-engineering ‘education’, and particularly early education in such a way that instead of encouraging creative curiosity and independent thought, it would train children to stop thinking for themselves, and become programmable ‘automatons’.

As part of this new approach, small children were to be trained from a very young age that there was a ‘right way’ and a ‘wrong way’ of playing.

And once this training was implemented, it was the easiest thing in the world to continue the ‘training’ as the child progressed along the path of the education system, effectively losing their own ability to think for themselves, and create ‘out of the box’, without conforming to how ‘everyone else’ said things had to be done.

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Here’s a couple of quotes from Frobel himself, from HERE, which kind of sets out the stall for what he was aiming at:

“That which follows is always conditioned upon that which goes before.”

“The destiny of nations lies far more in the hands of women, the mothers, than in the possessors of power, or those of innovators who for the most part do not understand themselves. We must cultivate women, who are the educators of the human race, else the new generation cannot accomplish its task.”

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Frobel’s ideas, including ‘early education’ is the basis for the pandemic of ‘snowflakes’ now blanketing the modern world.

You know, all those people – of all ages – who have been so trained to let other people / the authorities / their mum /their rabbi do all the thinking for them, when you challenge their ideas or assumptions, even a little, they instantly melt down into a puddle of vituperation.

How did we get to this sorry state of affairs?

Read on.

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One of Frobel’s big innovations was something he called ‘Frobel’s Gifts’.

This by itself is enough to suggest there was something seriously wrong with Frobel.

You can read more about Frobel’s ‘gifts’ HERE, but a video is worth a 1,000 words, so let me explain why these ‘gifts’ were actually so destructive to the psyche of young children.

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Already from the age of 3, this kid is being taught there is a ‘right’ way of playing, and a ‘wrong’ way.

The underlying message is one of ‘do it right, or else’, ‘conform to the plan, or else’.

Once you get that idea hardwired into a young child’s growing brain, it’s easy peasy to keep conditioning them to keep ‘doing it right’ and conforming until they draw their last breath.

No wonder so many of our brightest kids, our deepest souls, hate the modern school system with a passion, and so often struggle with self-esteem issues / get doped with Ritalin / drop out.

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In the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ – which we’ve already clarified were far more likely to have been written by Freemasons, with some Frankists in tow – we find this, at #16:

PROTOCOL 16

BRAINWASHING

In a word, knowing, by the experience of many centuries, that people live and are guided by ideas; that these ideas are imbibed by people only by the aid of education, provided with equal success for all ages of growth; but of course, by varying methods; we shall swallow up and confiscate to our own use, the last scintilla of independence of thought, which we have; for long past; been directing towards subjects and ideas useful for us.

The system of bridling thought is already at work in the so-called system of teaching by object lessons, the purpose of which is to turn the goyim into unthinking submissive brutes, waiting for things to be presented before their eyes in order to form an idea of them….In France, one of our best agents, Bourgeois, has already made public a new program of teaching by object lessons.

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It seems to me that the Frobel system was one of the main ‘tools’ being used by the Freemasons to start implementing their program of abolishing ‘the last scintilla of independence of thought’.

And once we have that astonishingly naughty idea in mind, we only need to see who was ‘pushing’ Frobel’s ideas upon the world, to start to get a clearer view of who was ‘in’ on this demonic plot.

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Here’s a partial list:

(There were lots of minor royalty all over Europe who – strangely – took Frobel and his ideas to their hearts, but too many to list here, so I’m just concentrating on a few of them.)

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Baroness Bertha von Marenholtz-Bülow: “German noblewoman and educator noted for her work in spreading the kindergarten concept through Europe.”

She was totally and utterly nuts – read THIS if you don’t believe me.

And her ideas of Frobel being at the head of some undefined – but clearly hugely important – ’cause’ tend to support the thesis I’m extending here, that something way deeper and more nefarious was going on. Here’s a snippet, written by Baroness Bertha’s niece:

In the course of those long years I could not help seeing clearly how often the Fröbel cause was injured by people who did not know, or who were merely egotistic, and how often my aunt had to defend it against them.

She conducted the defense on such occasions as something natural and evitable, and, of course, could not herself feel any personal animosity towards such persons.

“What do these people concern me? It is a question of the ‘Cause’ only.”

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Queen Victoria’s oldest daughter, Victoria, Princess Royal the wife of German Emperor Frederick III.

She became the Froebel Educational Institute‘s patron, when it set up shop in Britain in 1892. She was also the mother of Germany’s last Kaiser Wilhelm, who abdicated at the end of World War I.

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Another daughter of Queen Victoria, Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll, who “was a strong proponent of the arts and higher education and of the feminist cause” was a big supporter of Emily Shirreff, who:

[W]as a pioneer in the movement for the higher education of women and the development of the Froebelian principles in England.

(Shirreff also set up the Women’s Education Union in the UK, as Frankist-Freemasonry and womens’ lib always go together.)

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The Prussian government closed down Frobel’s kindergartens in that part of the world in 1851:

Fröbel’s idea of the kindergarten had found appeal, but its spread in Germany was thwarted by the Prussian government, whose education ministry banned it in a Kindergartenverbot edict on 7 August 1851 as “atheistic and demagogic” for its alleged “destructive tendencies in the areas of religion and politics.”

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But don’t worry!

Bertha Ronge (nee Meyer) opened up three Frobel-style kindergartens in the UK, that exact same year, with the first one opening its doors on September 1851, at 32 Tavistock Place. 

(Bertha is another interesting character, and it’s very hard to track down the family’s history. She married Johann Ronge, an excommunicated priest who began something called ‘the New Catholics’ in Germany and was connected to Engels and Marx. And her sister,  Molly Meyer-Schurz has the dubious honor of being the first person to introduce Frobel’s ‘kindergarten’ in the USA, and was a big buddy of Elizabeth Peabody.

(My Frankist-Freemason-o-meter is dinging off here, but let’s try to stay focused.)

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A few decades later, Tavistock Place came out of the shadows as the ‘Tavistock Institute’.

For the ‘official’ version of what this Institute does, read THIS.

For the unofficial – but probably way more truthful – version, read THIS  (warning, there’s a dodgy image towards the bottom of that post.)

Here’s a snippet:

“A Rockefeller grant gave birth to the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations in London in 1947…

Sigmund Freud was Tavistock’s “prophet” and first director, followed by his daughter, Anna

Freud’s nephew, a principle at Tavistock Institute, Edward Bernays is the godfather of propaganda and the “engineered consent” of Madison Avenue. He took Freud’s principles of mass psychology and applied them to social exploitation, numbing and manipulation of the masses. He created consumerism.”

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I am willing to bet good money that Sigmund Freud’s family were (secret…) Sabbatian-Frankists.

If you go to the geni entry for his mother HERE, and click back 3-4 times, you’ll arrive at Freud’s great-great grandfather, ‘R Isaac Issachar Rabinowitz Babad, head of the Brody community.’

That profile is being managed by our old friend, Keith Lawrence Hanit.

And the Babad family is very closely intertwined with the notorious Shor family, including Elisha Shor / Wolowsky, the ‘rabbi’ who was a close follower of Jacob Frank, and who (pretend…) converted to Catholicism at the same time he did.

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Babads and Shors married each other all the time, as these Sabbatian-Frankist families usually did.

Remember R’ Gavriel  Eskeles, from THIS post?

He married Esther, daughter of Roza Yollis-Babad. Roza’s sister-in-law was Hinda Margolis – the sister of the notorious Sabbatean-Frankist who openly converted to Catholicism along with Jacob Frank, Elisha Schorr (Wolowsky).

Roza’s sister was called Surah Berenshtein (Babad).

Surah Berenshtein is Sigmund Freud’s g-g-g grandmother, the mother of Isaac Babad, above.

As I keep telling you, that the people who are the ‘big names’ in the Jewish community all come from the same very shallow gene pool, and Sigmund Freud is no exception.

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Before we sum everything up, let’s just take a quick look at Anna Freud – Sigmund Freud’s daughter and fellow Tavistock ‘prophet’.

Anna’s mother – Freud’s wife – was one Martha Bernays.

I can already tell you, that there is something very strange – and all too familiar – going on with the ‘Bernays’ family tree. It’ll take me a while to unpick it, but for this post, it’s enough to know that Martha is the grandchild of ‘Chacham Isaak Bernays’ of Hamburg – another big ‘reformer’ of Jewish education under a cloak of externally orthodox piety.

Not a few of ‘Chacham Isaak’s’ children and descendants became xtians – another tell-tale sign you are dealing secret Frankists.

And one of his cousins was Heinrich Heine.

Man, so much to keep unpicking here….

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‘Chacham Isaak Bernay’s’ star pupil was one Samson Raphael Hirsch – the founder of Modern Orthodoxy.

Willy Rothschild gave a lot of money to Samson Raphael Hirsch and his institutions:

The Jewish Religious Society, (Israelitische Religionsgesellschaft) which resisted liberalisation of Judaism, was heavily dependent on Willy Carl, a founder-member, for the development of its institutions.

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And I also just found this, HERE:

“Rav Shamshon Raphael was born on 24 Sivan, 5568/1808, in Hamburg, Germany. His father, Rav Raphael Aryeh, who changed his family name to Hirsch, was the son of Rav Menachem Mendel Frankfurter of Altuna.

Rav Menachem Mendel, a student of Rav Yonasan Eibeshitz, was rav of the three communities of Altuna, Hamburg and Wandsbeck.”

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Sigh.

I’m going to be unpicking this stuff for the next 100 years.

In the meantime, let’s stop here.

Here’s the main takeaways from this post:

  • Frobel’s ‘kindergarten’ and educational ideas were designed to train the young child’s growing brain to conform, and to limit it’s natural inquisitiveness and independent thinking.
  • This dovetails with the Freemasons’ ‘Protocol #16’, to ‘swallow up and confiscate… the last scintilla of independence of thought’, and to create a world filled with ‘submissive brutes’.
  • Frobel’s ideas were enthusiastically taken up by a bunch of European royals, not least a few of Queen Victoria’s daughters.
  • Frobel was banned in Prussia in 1851, for promoting atheism and other ‘destructive tendencies’ – but immediately re-opened in the UK and also in the US, thanks to the efforts of some interesting people like Bertha Ronge and her sister.
  • That first ‘Frobel kindergarten’ in the UK opened at Tavistock Place – and later morphed into the Tavistock Institute for mind controlling the masses.
  • Sigmund Freud was closely associated with the Tavistock Institute, and was directly related to the Schor/Babad family of open and secret Frankists.
  • There’s other link-ups with probable Frankists going on here, not least with the Bernays family, and also with Samson Raphael Hirsch, whose father was a student of the Sabbatian Yonatan Eibshutz.

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The last thing to say, for now, about Frobel and his educational brainwashing methods is this:

According to THIS website, quoting THIS research paper (which you have to pay for) Frobel also ‘inspired’ the educational model of the Third Reich.

Nuff said.

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No wonder so many of our kids hate school so much.

No wonder, our world is in such a sad state.

No wonder, so many people are literally brain-dead robots – and the more secular ‘education’ you get, the worse the problem seems to become.

But at least now you know that there is a silver lining to the next ‘closure’, when all the schools will get cancelled again by our corrupt, evil governments.

TBC

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UPDATE:

I went to check out the yichus of Freud’s personal doctor – and apparently the guy that ‘euthanised’ Freud at the end of his life, one Dr Max Schur. Because hey! It’s that ‘Schor / Shor / Schur’ connection again.

Over on geni, a couple of clicks gets me deep into Keith Lawrence Hanit territory – always a good sign!

So I keep going, despite the multiple postings of the same people in different time frames, and the ‘disappearing’ of crucial last names, and all the other tricks to put 6 generations into a space where there should really just be 2 or 3, and eventually, I hit this ancestor of ‘Dr Max Schur’:

Alexander Sender Bloch.

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All of a sudden, I sit up and take notice.

Because on the left side of my tabs, from about 2 months ago, I have a bunch open on this same Alexander Sender Bloch.

Here’s why.

For months, I’ve been trying to track down the wealthy ‘Alexander Sender’ who is meant to be the Alter Rebbe’s big talmid, in real life.

Anything with ‘Alexander Sender’ on it has me scurrying over to learn more, and a little while ago I tripped over a family group headed up by one ‘Isaac Zabludowsky of Bialystock’ who caught my eye, as he is listed as being Russia’s richest man (sometime between 1773-1865).

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And yet, strangely, I’ve never heard of him before, outside of this geni entry.

Which strikes me as strange, as I constantly hear about all these other rich Jews in Russia that I can’t actually find in real life, like ‘Nathan Nata Notkin’… but nothing I’ve read anywhere, either in secular or religious sources about this time, mention ‘Isaac Zablodowsky‘, apparently the richest man in Russia.

And now, clicking back from Freud’s doctor – who is almost certainly a relative of Freud himself, and is definitely part of the infamous ‘Shor’ family of Sabbatean-Frankists – I get to one Alexander Sender Bloch, who happens to be the husband of rich Isaac’s daughter, Malka Reisel.

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Hmm.

How’s that for a CO-IN-CID-ENCE?

So now, let’s take a look at who ‘Alexander Sender Bloch’s’ parents are meant to be.

(This image comes from the geni profile for ‘Alexander Sender Bloch’, describing the founders of Bialystok’s industry and commerce.)

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Pay attention, that it says that ‘Alexander Sender Bloch’ comes from a ‘distinguished Wilna family’.

We are heading back into Vilna Gaon territory.

Alexander Sender’s parents are listed as being R’ Uri Shraga Feiwel Bloch, and Deborah Margoliot.

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Now, I remember that one ‘R’ Uri Shraga Feibush Bloch’ from Vilna is meant to be the son-in-law of the Vilna Gaon, R’ Eliyahu.

He married a daughter of the GRA who was apparently called ‘Tauba’.

Of course, Keith Lawrence Hanit and Yigal Burshtein are all over those profiles, so it’s hard to know what’s true and what isn’t. But it’s at least possible that ‘Tauba’ could be a Yiddish slang version of Deborah – the ‘T’ and ‘D’ were often used interchangeably, so ‘Tewele’ is actually a Yiddish slang version of ‘David’, to give another example.

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GRA biographer Chaim Freedman has this to say, about the Vilna Gaon’s daughter (presumed…) ‘Tauba’:

Tauba of Dubrovno daughter of Eliyahu Gaon of Vilna and Khana of Keidan, born c.1768, Vilna, Lithuania, married Uri Shraga Feibush of Dubrovno, son of Shlomo ?, ABD Dubrovno. Tauba died c.1812, Dubrovno, Byelorussia. Apparently died young, since her husband was known to have remarried, and few of her descendants are recorded. See the introduction to this book for a full explanation of the placement of Tauba as the youngest daughter of the Gaon.

Uri: Remarried after the death of first wife, Tauba. Other wives were Sarah Khaya, daughter of David, son of Pinkhas ben Azriel, author of Nakhalat Azriel and Feiga, the sister-in-law of Yitskhak Khalavitzer. Addressed rabbinic enquiry to Khaim of Volozhin (Binyan Shel Simkha).

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  • Dov-Ber Bloch born c.1787, Dubrovno, Byelorussia, married Batsheva ?. Assumed connection.

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  • Perl ? born c.1790, Dubrovno, Byelorussia, married Shabtai Perels, son of Barukh Bendet of Haslawitz.
    Shabtai: Son of Barukh Bendit of Haslawitz, brother of Rabbi Menkhem-Mendel of Shklov.

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  • Eliyahu Reezel born c.1797, Dubrovno, Byelorussia, shokhet, died 1837, Safed, Israel. Ran away from Russia to evade military service and settled in Kretchelov, Rumania. Gave up work as a shokhet due to a dream which predicted he would be compelled to pass as kosher meat which he disapproved of. Settled in Safed in 1836.

Legend relates that the Gaon of Vilna saved him from the earthquake of 1837 which left him with a limp. Grave in Safed believed to record his descent from the Gaon. His wife and several children perished in the earthquake. Survived by two sons who returned to Europe.

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  • Khaim Naftali (Hyam Bloch) Phillips born 1812, Dubrovno, Byelorussia, cigar manufacturer, hotelier, married 1850, in London, England, Julia Meyer, born 1816, London, England, daughter of Jacob Meyer and Hannah Solomon, died 1913, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia, buried: Haslem’s Creek (Rockwood), New South Wales, Australia.

Khaim died 1877, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia, buried at Haslem’s Creek (Rockwood), NSW, Australia. Julia: Daughter of Jacob Meyer and Hannah Solomon.

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There is a LOT of funny business going on with the Vilna Gaon’s family tree.

I’ve mentioned that before, but I want to stress it again, as it’s very unlikely that the ‘official’ versions of his genealogy are complete – or even, true.

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There’s a lot of dots still to be connected here, but let me leave you with this, for now, taken from THIS post I wrote a little while ago:

You’ll remember that I already talked about the Zeitlin connection to the Alter Rebbe, and to the haskalah, HERE.

Joshua Zeitlin is listed as the father in law of ‘Reb Alexander Sender’ – apparently one of the Alter Rebbe’s favorite talmidim.

And ‘Alexander Sender’ is meant to be the father of Moshe of Shklov – who we already pinned down as being one and the same as Moshe Schneuri, the Alter Rebbe’s catholic Frankist son.

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It’s amazing to me how many ‘Alexander Senders’ there are in Vilna, who apparently marry the daughters of Russia’s richest men – all in a vacuum from each other.

I continue to hope that the missing piece of this puzzle will fall into place soon, as we keep unravelling all the fake history we’ve been spoonfed for the last two centuries. At least.

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UPDATE #2:

You know, there’s so many disparate bits of info – even on this blog -that it’s hard to keep it all straight. I clicked on another of my open tabs from a while back, for one ‘R DovBer Broda, the Rav of Zabludowsky‘ – who is a grandchild of the Eshel Avraham, aka Sabbatian prophet Avraham Rovigo / Broda – and the penny suddenly dropped:

This guy has to be connected to the super-rich Zabludowskys, somehow.

I put in a few search times, and what comes back is none other than my own blog, namely THIS post.

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Here’s a relevant (long…) snippet:

The official history lists the following children for Abraham Broda:

  • Moshe Broda (1675-1741), Rav of Tiktin / Tykocin, then Bamberg, then Rav of Varmisai.

His daughter Sarah marries R Shmuel Shlesinger. They have a son called Moshe Ginz, and he has a son called Rav Akiva Eiger.

Yes, the famous Rabbi Akiva Eiger is the great-grandson of the Shabbatean prophet Avraham Rovigo.

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On geni.com, we learn that the Eshel Avraham has six more children that the official history doesn’t really talk about.

These include:

  • An unnamed daughter, who is the wife of R Yosef Moshe of Breslau.
  • R’ Shlomo Zalman Braude (dies 1742), the ABD of Mergentheim.
  • Esther, who marries R’ Isaak Nathan Schwabacher.

I think this ‘Shlomo Zalman Braude’ is the father of the Vilna Gaon (and also possibly connected to Shneur Zalman, Chabad’s Alter Rebbe.)

Let’s try to continue unpicking all this.

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The official history ignores all these other children, then suddenly jumps to recounting the history of Aharon Broda, the ABD of Kalwaria, later dayan in Vilna, without explaining how he is connected to Abraham Broda / Rovigo (the Eshel Avraham)

Aharon Broda is listed as having two brothers:

  1. R’ Itzhak ‘Harif’ Broda, of Meitzad (who is possibly the same ‘Yitzhak Harif’ of Krakow, who learns with the Eshel Avraham, above).
  2. R’ Avraham Broda, the ABD of Serhei – who we are told is a ‘close friend’ of the Vilna Gaon.

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Now, let’s go to the ‘official genealogy’ for the Vilna Gaon HERE, we learn the following:

Yehudah Leib Vilner son of Eliyahu Gaon of Vilna and Khana of Keidan, born 1764, Vilna, Lithuania, married daughter of Avraham of Serhei and Esther Jaffe, born Alinka, Lithuania, . Yehudah died 1816, Neustadt- Sugind, Lithuania.

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Yehuda Leib Vilner is listed as a son of the Vilna Gaon, and one of the main people who disseminated his father’s teachings, after his death in 1797.

There are many, many mysteries surrounding the genealogy of the Vilna Gaon, but here we have at least one clear piece of information officially linking his family to that of the Sabbatian prophet, the Eshel Avraham.

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Hey, I forgot I’d already made so many verifiable connections between the Eshel Avraham and the Vilna Gaon.

So, here’s where we are now holding.

  • ‘Shlomo Zalman Broda’ is the son of the Eshel Avraham, and a likely candidate for the Vilna Gaon’s father.
  • Then, according to Chaim Freedman HERE, Eliyahu the Vilna Gaon also has a son, Shlomo Zalman Vilner, who conveniently ‘dies young’.

Here’s what Freedman says about Shlomo Zalman Broda / Vilner #2:

Shlomo-Zalmen Vilner son of Eliyahu Gaon of Vilna and Khana of Keidan, born 1758, Vilna, Lithuania, married Rakhel Kissin, born c.1758, Vitebsk, Russia, daughter of Yisrael Kissin, died c.1777, Vilna, Lithuania. Shlomo-Zalmen died c.1780, Vilna, Lithuania.

Since Shlomo Zalmen died young and had only two daughters, it seems that his death occurred soon after his wife Rakhel died. She apparently died in childbirth about 1777, as indicated by the relevant dates of her descendants.

Rakhel: Appears to have died young. Her father Yisrael Kissin had agreed under the terms of her marriage agreement that he would support the couple during the first few years of their marriage and then the Gaon would take over. The Gaon was unable to do so, explaining that his wife, who managed his financial affairs, had insufficient funds. Perhaps this was the reason that, when the couple died, the Gaon felt obliged to care for their two daughters.

Yisrael Kissin of Vitebsk was confused in some sources with Yisrael of Shklov.

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There’s that ‘Kassin’ name again.

No doubt, we’ll come back to that again in future.

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Here’s another relevant chunk from that other post, in the meantime:

If we continue with the official genealogy of the Broda family, we are told that Aaron Broda (ABD of Kalawaria and dayan of Vilna, brother of Abraham Broda of Serhei) has six sons – but it only lists five:

  • Binyamin Broda, ABD of Horodna / Grodna

  • Aryeh Leib Broda, ABD of Kalawaria

  • DovBer Broda, ABD of Zablodova

  • Yosef Broda, Rav of Tiktin / Tykocin

  • Tzvi Hirsh Broda of Salant – the first rebbe of Yisrael Salanter, the founder of the mussar movement

I think the sixth son is Gershon Broda aka Gershon Vilna aka Gershon RIVLIN.

(RIVLIN is just an anagram of VILNER. This piece of information is crucial to understand where the infamous Rivlin family of Shklov that basically control Eretz Israel spring from.)

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In other words, ‘Ha Gaon DovBer Broda of Zabludowsky‘ just happens to be the brother of Binyamin Broda / Binyamin Rivlin (aka the ‘Gabia Kesef’) – the leader of the secret Sabbatian-Frankists who stay within the Jewish community, once Jacob Frank and his followers schism out of it.

They are both descendants of the Sabbatean prophet Eshel Avraham.

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Here’s another snippet from that same post:

Binyamin Broda’ is the same person as ‘Binyamin Rivlin of Shklov’, who is listed as the ‘cousin of the Vilna Gaon, and one of his greatest students’.

In the ‘official history’, Binyamin Rivlin was the father of Hillel Rivlin of Shklov – who lead the Vilna Gaon’s group of Perushim to make aliya to Eretz Yisrael.

This link (in Hebrew) also shows that Binyamin Rivlin was connected to Joshua Zeitlin, and that both men were connected to the Vilna Gaon:

“Together with Rabbi Yehoshua Zeitlin, [Binyamin Rivlin] founded the “Yeshivat Ha’iluim” in Shklov. The Gaon from Vilnius was present at the founding of the yeshiva.”

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Could the fabulously wealthy Russian Jew ‘Rabbi Yehoshua Zeitlin’ be connected to the fabulously wealthy Russian Jew, Itche Zabludowsky?

Both happened to have a son-in-law called ‘Alexander Sender’ who apparently died young…

There’s so much more to say.

I think I have to gather all this info together and stick it in a book, as keeping track of it through all these posts is getting trickier and trickier.

But we’re getting closer and closer to nailing this, BH.

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  1. Ana
    Ana says:

    Relating to a lot of these issues (education, Zionism, etc) it seems like Satmar and other frum groups fall out on the “right side”. Assuming you agree, do you think it’s some sort of “right for their own reasons (ie, there was a certain shmira for staying true to Torah)” or that those who set the course understood what was going on “behind the scenes” and knew much better than anyone else the perils the nation was/is in?

    Derech agav, I’m sure you know this, but this came up today and was very interesting, from Wikipedia (you can truncate this if it’s better for the comments section)…

    “Disraeli was born on 21 December 1804 at 6 King’s Road, Bedford Row, Bloomsbury, London,[n 1] the second child and eldest son of Isaac D’Israeli, a literary critic and historian, and Maria (Miriam), née Basevi.[2] The family was mostly from Italy, of mixed Sephardic Jewish, mercantile background with some Italkim, and Ashkenazi origins.[4][n 2] Disraeli later romanticised his origins, claiming his father’s family was of grand Spanish and Venetian descent; in fact Isaac’s family was of no great distinction,[5] but on Disraeli’s mother’s side, in which he took no interest, there were some distinguished forebears, including the Rothschilds and Isaac Cardoso.[6][7][n 3] Historians differ on Disraeli’s motives for rewriting his family history: Bernard Glassman argues that it was intended to give him status comparable to that of England’s ruling elite;[8] Sarah Bradford believes “his dislike of the commonplace would not allow him to accept the facts of his birth as being as middle-class and undramatic as they really were”.[9]

    Disraeli’s siblings were Sarah (1802–1859), Naphtali (born and died 1807), Ralph (1809–1898), and James (“Jem”) (1813–1868). He was close to his sister, and on affectionate but more distant terms with his surviving brothers.[10] Details of his schooling are sketchy.[11] From the age of about six he was a day boy at a dame school in Islington that one of his biographers later described as “for those days a very high-class establishment”.[12][n 4] Two years later or so—the exact date has not been ascertained—he was sent as a boarder to Rev John Potticary’s St Piran’s school at Blackheath.[17] While he was there events at the family home changed the course of Disraeli’s education and of his whole life: his father renounced Judaism and had the four children baptised into the Church of England in July and August 1817.[11]

    Isaac D’Israeli had never taken religion very seriously, but had remained a conforming member of the Bevis Marks Synagogue.[5] His father, the elder Benjamin, was a prominent and devout member; it was probably from respect for him that Isaac did not leave when he fell out with the synagogue authorities in 1813.[n 5] After Benjamin senior died in 1816 Isaac felt free to leave the congregation following a second dispute.[11][n 6] Isaac’s friend Sharon Turner, a solicitor, convinced him that although he could comfortably remain unattached to any formal religion it would be disadvantageous to the children if they did so. Turner stood as godfather when Benjamin was baptised, aged twelve, on 31 July 1817.[18]”

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      I don’t know.

      I’m increasingly of the view that until Moshiach comes, we’re not really going to know what’s going on here, 100%, or who really is on the ‘right’ side. The more I investigate, the more question marks appear, and the more I realise I can assume nothing.

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      • Ana
        Ana says:

        Only upon coming to see your reply did I realize there were two big updates – is there a way to mark posts on the main page after you’ve added an update? It would be a shame to miss them…

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