In the space of two days, I had a few different emails all pinging me ‘content’ coming from different people, that said exactly the same thing.

***UPDATES BELOW***

One was this (not shmirat eynayim friendly)

The path of healing after Chaim Walder’s abuse

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As seems to happen so often, ‘Chaim Walder dissing’ seems to go hand-in-hand with ‘hardcore vaccine pushing.’

If you go HERE, to the Open Siddur Project website, you can read something this same person wrote back in 2021 called:

A prayer of gratitude upon receiving a COVID vaccination

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And then, I also got this, sent by someone else, from the Jpropaganda site:

We have no right to stay silent for victims of sexual abuse – opinion

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I was struck by the incredible similarity contained in so many of the statements being made about Chaim Walder, from so many disparate people.

Any judge will tell you that when two witnesses start telling you exactly the same story, it’s a likely bet they’re lying, and coordinated their accounts beforehand.

So, I started doing some digging, to see if there was a way to figure out what was actually going on, here.

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Before we continue, come back with me seven years, when ‘content marketing’ was really becoming a thing.

Back then, I used to spend some time in my local start-up hub, as I didn’t have internet in my house (ah, the good old days…)

And there were a bunch of ‘start up entrepreneurs’ there, including a few guys trying to sell gizmos and gadgets to people, by paying ‘content marketers’ to either:

  1. Write under a totally false name on social media, to ‘puff’ the merchandise and / or
  2. Write under their own name, but totally scripted, to ‘puff’ the merchandise.

Those conversations used to drive me crazy.

Some prematurely balding guy would be sitting there getting all excited about how his cute, young content marketing missy was going to write a post today about how her new air conditioning unit had totally changed her life….

Bottom line: they were totally misleading people.

But people have to make a living somehow, right?

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In 2021, we think we are so much more savvy than those gullible fools from 2015.

But most of us are probably wrong about that.

Before Covid took him out, my husband had a client who networked ‘social influencers’ to push products and ideas to their massive online audiences in all sorts of subtle ways. I was always amazed at how successful this guy seemed to be, and how much cash seemed to be sloshing through that ‘social influencer’ sluice.

So, when I took a look at the second commentator above – who somehow managed to get her opinion piece about Chaim Walder into the hallowed pages of the Jpropaganda!!! – it didn’t take long to surface the fact that she works as a content marketer:

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Let’s just back up again, to do a ‘compare and contrast’ exercise between what happened with Chaim Walder, and what happened with Yehuda Meshi-Zahav.

This comes from Meshi-Zahav’s Wikipedia page, HERE:

In March 2021, following sexual abuse allegations against men, women and children, Meshi Zahav attempted to take his own life but failed and was left in a coma avoiding actual charges and trial.

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There are actually compelling reasons to state that the real evidence against Meshi Zahav was actually much greater than anything being piled against Chaim Walder.

An actual police investigation had already been opened against him for a month, containing complaints from many different people, with actual, real names.

Meshi-Zahav had just been given the Israel Prize by the State of Israel, for going around telling everyone in the orthodox Jewish world how very dangerous Covid 19 was, and how important it was to do exactly what the government wanted.

Remember headlines like this?

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And this:

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And this, from the Ynet site:

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Meshi-Zahav was one of ‘Israel’s most righteous Jews’, according to all his gushing write-ups from those same corrupt journalists who have been pushing the Covid lies for approaching two years now.

When other rabbis were speaking out to say we shouldn’t stop davening in shuls, shouldn’t stop holding weddings, shouldn’t stop going to mikvahs, and shouldn’t stop believing that Hashem was the true healer – there was Meshi-Zahav, slapping them down, and calling them ‘worse than holocaust deniers’.

What a prince!

So of course, someone of his moral calibre needed to get rewarded by the State for services rendered:

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It seems that the Israel Prize, which led to even more gushing adoration in the State-controlled propaganda-press was the last straw for some of his victims.

Six of them came forward to press police charges against him in May 2021 – and the accusations were just as bad as those that appeared in the press against Walder:

The allegations against Mr Meshi-Zahav date back to the 1980s.

Haaretz spoke to six people who say he assaulted them when they were young children, teenagers, and in their 20s.

According to local media he was investigated by police over sexual assault allegations in 2011, but the case was later closed for lack of evidence.

The statute of limitations has run out on five of the six cases described in the paper, meaning police are unable to investigate them. However, they have now launched an investigation into the sixth case, in which a woman says she was raped by Mr Meshi-Zahav when she was in her 20s.

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As soon as the dam burst on Meshi-Zahav, more and more real people with real names started to come forward with additional information and details.

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When he saw he couldn’t weasel his way out having to face his day in court – because remember, there was a real, live police investigation going on here, for weeks already – Meshi-Zahav apparently attempted suicide and apparently became a vegetable as a result.

I say ‘apparently’, because I have no doubt that Meshi-Zahav was being ‘covered up for’ by people in the police and justice system for years, before the snowball got too big to stop:

[H]e was investigated by police over sexual assault allegations in 2011, but the case was later closed for lack of evidence.

I’d love to know WHO, exactly, investigated the allegations back in 2011, and WHO, exactly, decided to close the case for ‘lack of evidence’.

The police in Israel love nothing more than being able to slap another abusive ‘chareidi’ in jail.

So, it seems to me Meshi-Zahav had the sort of protektzia you only get, when you are part of that yucky group of predatory people who believe they can do whatever they want, because they are best friends and family with all the judges, prosecutors and politicians, many of whom are doing the same disgusting things.

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Now, I don’t recall any of Meshi-Zahav’s victims speaking out after his attempted suicide.

It’s possible that they did, but if they did, the media just didn’t cover it.

Rather, my impression at the time was that even the secular media was spinning the line that ‘poor Meshi-Zahav tried to kill himself, because of all these horrible allegations, so now we’re going to leave him alone.’

Snippet from HERE:

The suicide attempt came ahead of a Channel 12News special slated to air on Thursday evening on the award-winning investigative journalism show Uvda (“Fact”) which explored what it called the silencing of Meshi-Zahav’s actions by Haredi society.

A police official said that investigators found a suicide note in Meshi-Zahav’s home.

Channel 12 News issued a statement saying that given recent developments, its editors “will debate whether to air the show at this time” and later said that it would continue with the airing of the investigation as planned.

A neighbor of the former ZAKA told the Walla news site that Meshi-Zahav was “very concerned” about the show and “said they it was going to be the end of him.”

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Now, here is where I’d appreciate your help, dear reader, to start bottoming out what is really going on here.

When I search for any statements Shmuel Eliyahu made about Meshi-Zahav while all this was happening – nothing is coming back.

It could just be my browser, so please, if he did make the same sort of statements about Meshi-Zahav that he made about Chaim Walder, please post a link below, so we can at least see if he is consistent.

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I take a look at ‘content marketer’ Bruria Efune’s Twitter account for March-May 2021 – not a peep about Meshi-Zahav, nor his victims.

I search for a poem, an impassioned video plea, a blog post, about Yehuda Meshi-Zahav’s victims from Chaya Lester – I can find absolutely nothing.

Part of doing this birur requires really checking people out in depth, to find out who they really are, and where they are really coming from, before you decide how much you really want to rely on them for guidance, and how much you want to be ‘influenced’ by them.

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Sigh.

What about R’ Yitzhak Berkowitz, who felt compelled to ‘speak out’ about Chaim Walder?

What did he have to say about Meshi-Zahav?

Again: absolutely nothing.

Although, he did put out this weird video back in December 2020 as ‘sponsored content’ on the YWN propaganda site, where he is talking about individuals doing ‘awful things to children’ in the Sanhedria neighborhood.

I don’t really know what to make of it, honestly.

Maybe it’s an early attempt at ‘normalising’ all the AI facial recognition tech going up in Chareidi neighborhoods, or it could even be genuine (but still strange – the police in Israel have cameras everywhere, anywhere, without needing people to pay for them privately…)

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Point is:

Why are all these people falling over themselves specifically about Chaim Walder, when I can’t seem to find anything – anything!!! – from any of them talking about Meshi-Zahav?

And that’s at least part of why this story of Chaim Walder is making no sense.

And why I suspect that ‘content marketers’ and ‘social influencers’ are being used to skew the public discourse around Chaim Walder, for reasons that are still not very clear.

But that will hopefully start to come more into focus, soon.

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PS: It struck me that I have never seen any picture of the ‘permanently comatose’ Meshi-Zahav, nor any information about where the ‘permanently comatose’ Meshi-Zahav actually is, these days.

Cynical soul that I am, that strikes me as strange.

If anyone out there can help me verify that what we are being told about Meshi-Zahav being ‘permanently comatose’, and therefore unable to ever stand trial, is true, I would be very grateful for that information.

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UPDATE:

THIS article apparently elucidates the evidence that Shmuel Eliyahu’s ‘Beit Din’ relied upon, to issue their public statements about Walder.

Snippet:

A post posted on the Facebook account of Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu’s office read:

“We checked and investigated and asked carefully, witnesses came before us who testified that he committed adultery with married women for many years until he caused them to divorce and be forbidden by their husbands.

“We also heard recordings in his voice that indicate serious acts of incest he committed, and we found him guilty without a doubt.” 

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Again, I have no idea what Walder did, or didn’t do.

(And btw, neither do you…)

But this statement, above, is very problematic for a number of reasons, including:

  1. Walder HIMSELF wasn’t questioned by Shmuel Eliyahu’s Beit Din – and that is totally against halacha.
  2. There is a huge difference between someone who is having extra-marital affairs with adults – which is totally immoral, but at least consensual – and someone who is forcing themselves on minors.
  3. Recordings in his voice‘ – this troubles me the most of all.

Because it’s a standard ploy I’ve seen being used against other rabbis the ‘bad actors’ wanted to bring down, or control in some way, including the late kabbalist R’ Chaim HaKohen, aka ‘The Milkman’.

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How did Shmuel Eliyahu KNOW that these ‘recordings in his voice’ were really Chaim Walder?

What technology expert did he have, what tests did he perform, that could prove these were genuine recordings of Chaim Walder?

Doesn’t he know, how so very easy it is to fake ‘voice recordings’ like this?

And even if Shmuel Eliyahu’s ‘Beit Din’ did actually prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that it was Chaim Walder’s actual voice on the recordings, (which I seriously doubt happened)  – this is still a long way off from hearing evidence from an actual, real life witness.

At best, it’s supporting material, that would help substantiate evidence from an actual person.

And then, that this evidence would be presented to the person being accused, and their response to it would either prove the case, or disprove the case.

Which simply didn’t happen with Chaim Walder.

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Sigh.

The number of important halachas this guy and his ‘Beit Din’ broke, with their public condemnation of Chaim Walder, is astounding.

How can a Beit Din issue a public judgement before they even heard the other person’s side?

How can they issue statements, like they did, based solely on listening to easily-forged ‘voice recordings’?

The mind boggles.

TBC

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UPDATE 2:

The outpouring of public hatred against Walder is continuing apace – even though the guy is dead.

Here are two more examples I just got sent:

Rav Moshe Meiselman: Walder is a Rasha Merusha

And this statement, from Torah U’Mesorah:

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Again, I don’t know if he did what he’s accused of, or not – and neither do you.

But what I DO know, is that the heter to speak negatively about people in order to ‘warn’ others who may otherwise be hurt by them just don’t apply to someone who is dead.

All this just seems so overly personal…. like mamash there is some sort of personal vendetta going on, that goes above and beyond the discussion about the unproven accusations themselves.

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I have never been a fan of Chaim Walder’s books.

I threw them out of my house 10 years ago, because I didn’t get a good vibe from them.

But when you compare and contrast the underwhelming response to Meshi-Zahav, and the totally OTT response to Walder, it really reinforces the notion that something very strange is going on here, behind the scenes.

And as always, we have to keep asking questions, and keep questioning narratives that make no sense, until God sees fit to enlighten us about what the truth really is.

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UPDATE 3:

I just got sent this: Chaim Walder shilling for the Misrad HaBriut, gloves, masks and social-distancing pushing, back in April 2021.

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At least for me, this makes Chananya Weissman’s possible theory about what might be going on here more plausible, i.e. that they came back to Walder to apply more manipulative pressure to ‘chareidi kids’ to jump on the vaccination bandwagon – and for whatever reason, he refused.

The timing of all this, just as they were rolling out Covid shots to the kids, is unlikely to be a coincidence.

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17 replies
  1. Shira
    Shira says:

    Finally! Thank you so much for starting to address this Rivka. It’s been clear to me from the very beginning that something about this story stinks. I’m looking forward to learning more about the truth. Did you hear about the clip from Rabbi Yonatan Swartz talking about a recording he has of 2 Rabbis plotting against Walder? Apparently, it also said they gave Walder a gun that either he will shoot or they will shoot him, metaphorically speaking of course…The plot just keeps getting thicker and thicker.

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  2. Moshe
    Moshe says:

    I don’t see any comparison from Rabbi Berkowitz’s point of view between Chaim Walder and Meshi Zahav. Meshi Zahav was not a psychologist and his books are not being widely distributed among charedim. I’m not saying I agree with his assessment, but he is not obligated to speak about one person if he speaks about another. Also, I don’t see why his video should be called “weird”.

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  3. Daisy
    Daisy says:

    I have to say, in Meshi-Zahav’s defense, that after losing three family members to Covid in a short time, of course he reacted so strongly to people refusing the “vax”, the “miracle” that would cancel that horrible death curse. Believe me, after being sick as I was, and seeing my son deathly ill, I would probably have reacted the way he did about the terrible “virus” and its “miracle cure”, had I been as ignorant as most people about the evil jab. Was he being paid for that performance? I am not sure… although this is the only part of your narrative I am questioning.

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  4. Eliora
    Eliora says:

    Rivka, please track down the children’s book “The Kindhearted Troublemaker” by Rabbi Chaim Walder. Funny story on that: once I was looking for a new book for my children, and thought I would look inside to see if this would be something they’d like. So I start reading it, and couldn’t put it down. Halfway through the book I was literally crying with tears running down my face in the store, because the story was so touching.

    I’ll give an overview of the story. A boy, Yankele, doesn’t fit the cookie cutter, and is always getting into trouble. Finally he gets kicked out of Cheder. The Rov tells his father that the most Yankele will ever amount to is being a shoemaker or something like that; that he should stop learning because he’s not smart enough and focus solely on a trade. The father goes home and tells his son, “One day, you will make me proud!” His parents are exasperated by Yankele’s difficult behaviour, but they love him as he is and never give up on him. What happens next- 1939, Germany invades Poland and takes all the Jews. In the ghetto Yankele becomes a leader of the cheder class and organises learning sessions for them all. He encourages the adults. He runs dangerous missions, sneaking in and out of the ghetto to bring food and medicine. Basically the rabbis were MIA or playing nicely to stay in the Germans’ good graces, while this kid stepped up to the plate. Eventually he learns that the ghetto will be liquidated. So he devises an ingenious plot to help his cheder class escape. One boy, Avrumi, doesn’t want to escape and disobey the Germans, ‘because they are the government.’ Yankele goes livid, and says we MUST disobey them, even if they are authority, because they are telling us to do something wrong. He says we only listen to the Torah, and we will not listen to the Germans, or any other authority, if what they are telling us to do is wrong. He says we cannot trust them, that the Germans are lying to us, and we must escape at any price. I LOVED that part! So Avrumi stays in the ghetto, sadly perishes, and the rest of the class escapes and lives. They go through all sorts of trials from there, which I won’t elaborate on for the sake of brevity. But in the end this entire class (minus Avrumi) survives, and Yankele leads they to Eretz Yisroel, almost dying on the way at the behest of British entry restrictions to EY, but his friends pull together and save him. It’s really an incredible story which I think all children should read, especially in these times.

    I’m sure the erev Rov couldn’t wait to get that book off the shelves…

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    • Israel
      Israel says:

      I was curious about Rabbi Moshe Meiselman’s comment that “For example, in 15 children’s books, he does not mention the Ribbono Shel Olam once, which is highly suspicious.” So thought I’d check it out. I’m not privy to testimony that the beis din in Sefas claims to have heard. But I can test the veracity of this alarming claim. I opened up a random book “Kids Speak 6,” which happens to be on my shelf. And right there on the second page (which is numbered p. 14 as the numbering includes the introduction and title pages) is “It turns out that the Creator of the world doesn’t give a person an ability for no reason.” How about that. And then on the fifth page (numbered 18) “I raise my eyes to the mountains and pray, ‘From where will my help come?'” Then on the sixth page “Shema Yisroel.” (p. 19) Interesting. And what else? “Someone who trusts in Hashem buys one ticket as a reasonable effort on his part. That’s called ‘hishtadlus.’ He doesn’t try to ‘convince’ Hashem.” (p. 86) “Thank G-d I managed to get here on time.” (p. 96) “It says in Taana D’Vei Eliyahu, ‘HaKodesh Baruch Hu said to Yisrael: My children, what do I ask of you? Only that you should love each other and honor each other.'” ( p. 99) “I went to daven Ma’ariv in the hospital’s shul. When I came to ‘Refa’einu,” I burst out crying. I cried out to the Creator of the world to see my mother’s suffering and the suffering of our whole family. All the hurt and pain within me came out in my tears. ‘Hashem,’ I pleaded, ‘why doesn’t anyone remember that I have a bar mitzvah?’ (p. 160) “She handed me the invitation. On the top it said, ‘With praise and gratitude to Hashem…” (p. 163)

      That’s eight references in this book alone. I would image that there are more because I didn’t read the book cover to cover. I plucked out these references to the Ribono Shel Olam in ten minutes of flipping through it. Rabbi Meiselman could have done the same. What amazes me about this is not just that he made a statement that’s so counter to the facts, but that he did so when it’s a statement that’s so easily investigated. So who was Rabbi Meiselman talking to when he said, “So shut up if you don’t know [the facts].” Is that a case of pointing at somebody else and having three fingers point back at you?

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  5. nonee
    nonee says:

    thank you Eliora for that story that Chai Walder wrote.

    I believe he was a victim of erev ravs..

    I still feel heartbroken for his family. May Hashem strengthen and lift them up.

    May the ones who caused the murder of Chaim Walder be exposed and may they rot forever..
    This my prayer to Gd for them.

    Shabbat shalom to all of the readers of this blog.

    and to Rivka – Gd bless you with strength and all things good. Amen.

    Shabbat Shalom/

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  6. Adelle
    Adelle says:

    you know, I’m not sure that the internet’s been scrubbed of eliyahu’s statements regarding mesh-zahav. I don’t recall him saying anything publicly at that time. I do remember him being very vocal when the head of the hesder yeshiva in tzfat was accused (convicted? I don’t recall) of sexual misconduct. this rosh yeshiva was also a mekubal I think and his students sought his guidance on naming their children and understandibly they were distraught. eliyahu came out with a statement that we shouldn’t rely on rabbis. we should use our own discernment and judgement… I recall these statements were published and I was also in their home while the revelation of the accusations were unfolding. after that he began giving weekly shabbat shiur at the hesder yeshiva to be mechazek the students in that difficult time.

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      It’s interesting, I’m trying to track down more of the news reports that came out at that time.

      So far, it appears that Shmuel Eliyahu and his colleagues were ‘investigating’ his business partner, Ezra Sheinberg, for months before a complaint was actually made to the police. And it seems Sheinberg had prior knowledge that the complaint was about to be made, which is why he tried to get out of the country on a flight to Brazil, and was nabbed at the airport.

      Here’s some more links of what’s turning up, at least on my browser. The first one is the most telling.

      “In the summer of 2015, Tsfat Chief Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu received complaints about Rabbi Sheinberg’s abuse of women who came to him for counseling. Rabbi Eliyahu convened a three-rabbi panel that questioned Sheinberg about the allegations.

      According to Rabbi Eliyahu, Sheinberg admitted to the accusations and agreed to suspend himself from any contact with the public. Rabbi Eliyahu then instructed him to stay away from Tsfat and revealed to his Yeshiva students what he had done.

      After the case was exposed by the media, one of the Sheinberg’s victims filed a complaint with the police, which was later followed by additional victims’ complaints.”

      https://www.jewishpress.com/news/the-courts/supreme-court-rejects-rabbi-sheinbergs-appeal/2018/12/06/

      https://www.jpost.com/jewish-world/jewish-news/national-religious-community-gets-new-kashrut-authority
      “Badatz Orot Eliyahu is the brainchild of Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu, chief rabbi of Safed, and Rabbi Ezra Sheinberg, dean of the Orot Ha’ari yeshiva in Safed.”

      https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/199429
      “Ezra Sheinberg’s wife told Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu her husband told her about indecent acts with women.”

      UPDATE:

      The more I look, the more shmutzy all this gets.

      But point is, still haven’t found any posts with Shmuel Eliyahu condemning Meshi-Zahav, and I find that strange, to say the least.

      If he did make statements about Meshi-Zahav, readers please send me the links.

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      • Adelle
        Adelle says:

        yes. I remember sheinberg was caught at the airport. it is notable that so far we haven’t seen any public statement from shmuel eliyahu on the meshi-zahav affair.

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  7. Israel
    Israel says:

    More on Meislman’s claim that “For example, in 15 children’s books, he does not mention the Ribbono Shel Olam once, which is highly suspicious.” I found another Chaim Walder book in my house. It’s called “Our Heroes.” (First Published in 1998) Here’s what I found in ten minutes: “‘You think it’s only a string of coincidences?’ I asked. ‘I think it’s measure for measure. It’s the Hand of God.'” (p. 27) “What a desecration of God’s Name there would be were it to become known that at the conference of the most esteemed rabbis in Europe a valuable coin was stolen, and that all the rabbis were searched!” (p. 39) “It is a desecration of God’s Name.” (p. 40) “It seems clear to me that God has presented us with this terrible situation so that we can learn a great deal more than what we learned all the days of the conference.” (p. 42) “It was thanks to those plants that we survived and baruch Hashem I made aliyah to Eretz Yisroel and have such wonderful talmidim — so wonderful that they will certainly not steal from me the mitzvah of gratitude to the Creator of the world and the plants He created that saved my life.” (p. 98) “Rabbi Gustman told an acquantaince that he owed thanks to the Creator, because it was thanks to the sun He created that he got this saving.” (p. 98) “Then my father told the people at the class, ‘I too owe thanks to Hashem for sending me the ungrateful driver who made such a strong impression on my beloved son, showing him how lowly such a character trait is and allowing him to realize the importance of gratitude.” (p. 99) “Hashem sends a soul down to this world and He decides when to take him back. Sometimes Hashem wants people to repent and so He takes the soul of someone beloved, and that makes everyone think about whether they can improve their behavior.” (p. 136) “Why don’t we just say, ‘Hashem decided and that’s it!'” ( p. 137) “Hashem decrees a decree and he can also cancel it, if people repent. You yourselves know that there are a lot of very sick people who get better. That happens when Hashem sees that people repent before the decree is enacted.” (p. 137) “It was a great sanctification of God’s Name…” (p. 145) “We brought pleasure to a lonely widow, and we also had the merit of sanctifying Hashem’s Name.” (p. 156) “The Rabbi looked at the water, said a blessing in a loud, strong voice, ‘Baruch attah Hashem, Elokeinu Melech haOlam shehakol nihyah bdvaro,’ and began to drink.” (p. 174) “He is the real God and there is none other besides Him.” (p. 177) “When you don’t rely on yourself but instead place your faith in Hashem and say, ‘there is none other besides Him,’ then Hashem will save you from every misfortune.” (p. 177) That’s at least fifteen references to the Ribbono Shel Olam in this book. And they tend to come at key moments when truths are realized and lessons learned.

    On top of that, there are plenty of religious references in general: hashavas aveidah (p. 19), honesty (chapter one), Ksav Sofer (pp. 36-47), birkas hamazon (p. 37), Chofetz Chaim (p. 78), lashon hara (p. 90), Daf Yomi (p. 95), Rav Chaim Ozer (p. 96), Rav Gustman (p. 98), tzedakah (p. 105), davening on Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur (p. 106), Rav Moshe Feinstein (pp. 126-129), Rav Wolbe (p. 129), Rav Chaim Friedlander (p. 131), Gan Eden (p. 136, 159, 166), Moshiach ( p. 137-8), Lag b’Omer (p. 139), Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai (p. 146), Torah study (p. 149), the Divrei Chaim (p. 157), Rabbi Shalom Shwadron (p. 157), Rav Shemuel bar Yitzchak (p. 168), seudas hodayah (p. 174), Rav Chaim Brisker (p. 178-181), Shabbos (p. 187). Actually, it seems that the entire book is built on religious themes, lessons, and principles.

    Rabbi Meislman’s claim is ridiculous.

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      Thanks for taking the time to verify the information.

      That’s what each of us is required to do – just to check into things, as much as we are able, instead of mindlessly believing everything we’re being told.

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  8. Shalom
    Shalom says:

    Hello,

    I hid my name because this is not a comfortable topic for me.

    This Meiselman made a joke out of me to another Rabbi many years ago. I was a poor student and he went out of the way to ask me myriad of Torah questions I had no chance of knowing.
    His arrogance was astounding then and seems to me he has not changed one bit.

    [Ed. note from Rivka – I deleted the unnecessary insults from this comment.]

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  9. JNN
    JNN says:

    Scotland is considering pardoning the 1000s of women who were tortured and killed for being suspected of witchcraft centuries ago. How gracious of them. It reminds me of the much of the Orthodox Jewish community today. They don’t appear to have a justice system. Guilt is declared by rabbis who base their conclusions on gossip from other rabbis and secular newspapers that relish scandal in the Orthodox community. And that seems to be good enough for many people who, lacking hobbies and regular sports, have made a sport of pointing their fingers and yelling “rasha!” I don’t imagine that 16th century Scotland was any different.

    Don’t you all find it strange that 22 accusers just appeared one day? How did the so-called Beis Din find them? Was an ad run in the papers? It’s not as if they are all students of a single school. Actually, we don’t know who these accusers are. I haven’t heard anything from a single one. I couldn’t tell you if any sound credible. I couldn’t even tell you if they exist. No matter, the Safed Beis Din never interviewed Walder anyway. He was called to appear, but he refused since the guy in charge had been excoriating him in the press, not exactly showing himself to be impartial.

    So there’s no trial, no defense attorney, no due process, no facing accusers, no discovery, no impartial judges. That’s all so goyish. All we need are rabbis. They are magic men. They just know.

    And we in all our righteousness trust them because we have been trained to do so. If we don’t, we risk having fingers pointed at us and being called “rasha!”

    Nobody knows, despite all the self-righteous shouting, if Walder was guilty of anything. All we have is gossip. He might have been guilty. But he might not have been. This could be a frame-up for all we know. It’s happened before.

    It doesn’t matter if you tend to think he is guilty. It doesn’t matter if it SEEMS that way to you based on what you have read on Internet blogs. Without a thorough investigation and impartial judicial process of some kind – the Jewish kind, the goyish kind, the Martian kind — anything — you don’t get to say it out loud. Not only does it hurt his family, but it trains the community in witch hunting. And who knows, maybe someday they’ll hunt you.

    Now there have been a few voices of sanity, some of them rabbis, asking everyone to cool it. But who listens to them. We only listen to the rabbis that encourage us to shout “rasha!” It’s so much more fun than self-control.

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  10. Josh
    Josh says:

    Rivka- you seem to have far too much spare time in your hands to come up with all these entertaining conspiracy theories about walder, why don’t you actually use your time for a useful purpose like helping educate young children to protect themselves from serial monsters like walder! And have a bit of respect for someone whis far greater, and more knowledgeable then you and refer to Reb shmuel eliyahu with the correct title.

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