Today, I had two emails from two different people, both basically asking me if Breslov is also ‘Frankist’.

I’ve covered this a couple of times, in different ways, in different places on the blog, but I took all this as a hint that Hashem is moving things to the stage where He wants things more clearly spelled out.

So here goes.

Let’s start with what was happening more than 200 years ago, and how so much of the schmutz that actually belongs to Chabad, and their family tree, was (and actually still is….) being projected onto Rebbe Nachman, and Breslov.


This is the first email I got on the subject today:

I’m reading this back article of yours [Close Mishpocha] from another one called Beating swords…

I’m reading down the story of Rav Nachman and I’m sickened by it… leaving his newborn son with Frankists to raise…?

How is all of this not Sabatean…? How is Rav Nachman and Breslov not treif as the day is long…? How can u be a follower…?

I don’t get it… please clarify… and this time you can’t just say Rav Nachman is the exception… the pearl or the diamond that miraculously emerged out from the mud… come on… for crying out loud… he himself left a son of his behind to become a pagan idolater and a who knows what else morality wise…


You can go back and read the Close Mishpocha article for yourself HERE, and I highly recommend that you do, before continuing, as there’s lots of new stuff to cover and absorb in this post.

Here is what I replied to my correspondent:

I checked the story of R Nachman’s son, and it’s made up.

Basically, Athol Bloomer is a Frankist descendent, ‘Hebrew Christian’. When I first started doing all this research, his stuff about Rebbe Nachman was one of the first things I came across, and I was totally shocked by it.
So I started digging, and it took me about two months to figure out that Athol Bloomer still has close ties to Chabad, and that basically all the Frankist connections from Chabad were being ‘projected’ onto Rebbe Nachman, and scrubbed out of the picture for the Alter Rebbe and his descendents.
Rebbe Nachman does descend from some Sabbateans on his father’s side, but it seems that his grandfather Nachman Horodenka was trying to make some sincere teshuva, which is why he left his son, Rebbe Nachman’s father Simcha, in the care of the BESHT to raise as a very young child, even though he himself was still alive.

There are a lot of mysteries to figure out still.

And one daughter of Rebbe Nachman did marry a grandson of the Alter Rebbe, Aharon Zaslavski, as a second marriage after her father died, and that Aharon Zaslvaski is in the middle of a LOT of open Frankists, same as all the Chabad Rebbes.
There are some diamonds in the dirt of these families. The BESHT is also from these ‘interesting’ people, the ARIZAL is also from these ‘interesting people’, and Rabbenu also is.
Where you have the biggest tumah, you also have the biggest light.
See here, for another discussion of how Athol Bloomer mixes up a lot of facts with fiction, apparently deliberately, even when it’s not as explosive as Rebbe Nachman and Chabad:

You can find an interview with Athol Bloomer on the ‘Association for Hebrew Catholics’ website HERE.

So, we have to ask ourselves:

Why would a missionising ‘Hebrew Catholic’ who descends from a number of Frankist families be trying to put shmutz on Breslov and Rebbe Nachman, while effectively covering things up for Chabad?

Again, go back and read Close Mishpocha in detail, but the basic point is this:

Time again, I have found stuff ‘projecting’ Chabad’s dirty laundry and dodgy business onto Breslov.

The Alter Rebbe had a son, Moshe Schneuri, who was PROVEN to have converted out to xtianity at least once, and yet all that got buried and covered up, while Athol Bloomer’s claims about ‘Frankist Rebbe Nachman’ got air time even on the Kotzker blog, which usually makes a lot more effort to try and clarify historical information, before posting it up.


Why am I a follower of Rebbe Nachman and Breslov?

Because right from the beginning, I found that Rabbenu’s advice and guidance really worked, to help me become a better person, and more connected to God and the spiritual side of things.

I read books like Rebbe Nachman’s Advice, or Wisdom (English translations of Sichot HaRan, Chayei Moharan) and I was amazed that here was a rabbi – a rebbe! – who was also struggling, sometimes, with feelings of yeoush. Who also could say that he knew absolutely nothing. Who could also own up to his faults and difficulties, in his service of Hashem, and show other people the way to get past bad middot like anger and depression.

It totally blew me away.

Because it was REAL.

It wasn’t hagiographic pap, like pretty everything else you’ll ever read about every Jewish rabbi or rebbe or leader.

The writings about Rebbe Nachman showed a real person, with real struggles, who managed to overcome his yetzer hara and break it, to become ‘Rebbe Nachman of Breslov’.

And then, he left behind a ton of practical advice on how we could also follow in his footsteps, and do the same.


Rabbenu talks about his followers knowing the ‘real Hungarian wine’ of chassidut, because they’ve already tasted the good stuff, the real teachings that CAN help them to overcome their issues and bad middot, and feelings of despair.

There are a whole bunch of cheap imitations out there, as we’re increasingly discovering.
But anyone who is sincerely trying to follow Rabbenu’s path of doing an hour of hitbodedut a day, and dancing and clapping when hit by harsh judgements, and reading the Tikkun HaKlali, and paying pidyonot, and going to Uman – they will tell you that it works.
If you stick with it, life starts to be incomparably sweeter, and you find that slowly, slowly, truth and light expands more and more in your soul, and the darkness and bad middot start to get squeezed out.
So, I follow Breslov and Rebbe Nachman because it works to make me a better person, and to help me overcome my yetzer hara and stick closer to God.

Now, let’s get back to the historical side of things.

Breslov was ‘unusual’ right from the start.
Right from the start, while all the other Sabbatean-Frankist ‘chassiduts’ were rubbing each other’s backs and bigging each other up (internercine fights over which ‘rebbe’ should inherit the movement not withstanding) – the main Sabbatean-Frankist families were fanatically ‘anti’ Breslov, anti-Rabbenu, and ‘anti’ his teachings, especially about prayer.

They ‘projected’ their own Sabbatean-Frankist leanings onto Rabbenu himself, and started persecuting him and his followers mercilessly.

After Rabbenu’s death, the persecution went up levels and levels, with the leaders of the other chassiduts basically telling their followers it was OK to even murder Breslovers, and that every attempt should be made to persecute them economically and socially.
An assassin was even sent to murder Rabbi Natan Sternhertz, the Rebbe’s main pupil and editor of the Likutey Moharan, in his bed.

But the assassin broke into the wrong house in Breslov, and murdered the wrong ‘Rabbi Natan’.


And this persecution of Breslov and its leaders and followers wasn’t a ‘one off’.

It has continued down the years, almost non-stop.
I highly recommend you go and read the book Untold Tales of the Hasidim: Crisis and Discontent in the History of Hasidism, by Professor David Assaf. Chapter Three, in particular, describes some of the ongoing persecution being meted out by the other chassidic leaders themselves, to Breslov and its followers:
(You can download the full PDF of this for free on ReseachGate, HERE.)

This fanatical persecution of Breslov by other chassiduts always puzzled me a great deal.

I could understand the secular, xtian, authorities persecuting chassidut; I could kind of understand the (made-up….) ‘dispute’ between the Litvaks and Chabad (which I now think is another deliberate Chabad distortion of history, to hide what was really going on behind this argument, as I’ve written about elsewhere.)

But I just couldn’t understand why other chassidic rebbes would literally send people to try and murder Rav Natan in his bed….

Until now.

Rabbenu is the only one who was openly writing about ‘Jewish demon scholars’.

He was the only one speaking about Jacob Frank, for posterity.
And from what I can see, at this stage, there were literally just a handful of rabbis and rebbes left when Rebbe Nachman was alive, who hadn’t been ‘infected’ by the Sabbatean-Frankist heresy.
Even after Rabbenu died, the Savraner Rebbe (from the Wertheimer family of court Jew Frankists) wanted to marry his oldest daughter, Odel, after she was widowed – and R’ Natan told her not to do it.

Because he knew that it was part of the ongoing Sabbatean-Frankist attempt to ‘subvert’ Breslov, too, after Rabbenu’s death.

And this is also why there was no ‘Rebbe’ after Rabbi Nachman, because any subsequent ‘Rebbe’ could have been corrupted down the line, and if not him, his children, by intermarrying with the Sabbatean-Frankist ‘rebbes’ all around.

Are you starting to see, how so many of the ‘mysteries’ around Breslov start to clear up, magically, once you understand the true ‘Sabbatean-Frankist’ context?

So now, let’s talk a bit about what started to happen 50-60 years ago, when Rav Berland came on the scene, and started bringing in a whole bunch of baal teshuvainto Meah Shearim.

Today, it’s the yahrtzeit of Rabbi Levi Yitzhak Bender, zt’l.

Rabbi Levi Yitzhak was one of the last true Breslovers to be by the Rebbe on Rosh Hashanah, before the communists effectively made the gatherings illegal, and murdered most of the small, spiritually-sincere group of Breslovers left in Uman, before WW2.

You have to understand, that real Breslov was NEVER politically connected.

It’s followers were NEVER wealthy businessmen and merchants with government connections and askanim.
Breslov only ever attracted people who really wanted to learn how to serve God, and overcome their own bad middot.
When Rav Levi Yitzhak Bender made it to Meah Shearim after the war, he found a tiny group of Yiddish speaking ‘Breslovers’ most of whom were not actually keeping Rabbenu’s instructions – at all – about things like doing hitbodedut, getting up for chatzot, reciting the Tikkun Haklali etc.

So, the true ‘flame’ of Rabbenu was kept alive by R’ Levi Yitzhak – who most people had never heard of, because he kept a very low profile for most of his life.

That flame only started to develop into the roaring fire of Breslov today, when Rabbi Berland came along and started learning from R’ Levi Yitzhak, and bringing baal teshuvas into Meah Shearim.
There’s so much to say, but let’s sum it up like this:

Most of ‘old school’ Meah Shearim, including the Breslov bits of it, descend from Sabbatean-Frankist families who still have strong links, even today, with the secular Zionist state of Israel. Just it’s all hidden.

So, when a sincere outsider like Rav Berland showed up, and now he’s bringing in a bunch of baalei teshuva who want to do things properly – and presumably, who could also start blowing the whistle on all the disgusting, abusive ‘minhagim’ we’ve been learning about recently, that go on in these hard-core Sabbatean-Frankist communities – he quickly became Enemy Number One for the ‘Breslov’ psychos in Meah Shearim.
And the rest is history.

Let’s pull this back around to Chabad, now.

Chabad ‘historian’ Chaim Dalfin put out a book a while ago called ‘Breslov & Chabad’.

I learnt a lot from that book, which at some point, I hope to come back to.

For now, it’s enough to know that I learnt that the only reason Chabad has a tent up in Uman on Rosh Hashana is because they are trying to do ‘outreach’ for Chabad there; and that some of Breslov’s ‘newer’ leaders, like the Koenigs of Tsfat, actually come from long-time Chabad families.


Why am I mentioning this?

Because as Breslov’s ‘star’ started to rise, around 50 years ago, and as Rabbenu’s teachings lit up the hearts of hundreds of thousands of baalei teshuva – the Sabbatean-Frankists suddenly woke up to the ‘threat’ of what was happening, and all of a sudden, Breslov was flooded by a bunch of ‘new Breslov’ leaders.

People like R’ Eliezer Shick, the so-called ‘Tzaddik of Yavniel’. And people like R’ Gedaliah Koenig, a chabadnick, who built up Kiryat Breslov in Tsfat right on the most historically significant bit of the Old City – completely destroying what was underneath.

And people like R Yaakov Meir Shechter, the rabbi of the official Breslov shule in Meah Shearim that is home to the Breslov psychos (who are part of the extended Schneerson family…) who have been the main, State-sponsored persecutors of Rav Berland.


And of course, there are also the Na Nachs, and people like R Yoel Roth, who grew up in strong Satmar chassidic homes, but all of a sudden, are now Breslov.

Which brings us on to the second email about Breslov I got today:

Did you read this?


Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced Tuesday that his daughter Noa had given birth to a baby boy. The child is the fifth grandchild of Netanyahu. Netanyahu received the news while visiting London.

Netanyahu’s daughter Noa, 42, is a ‘ba’alat teshuva’ (returnee to Orthodox Judaism). She is married to Danny (Daniel) Roth, and the two are members of the Breslov hasidic sect and live in the Mea Shearim neighborhood of Jerusalem.

The children of Noa and Daniel are named Rachel, David and Shmuel. Noa is the daughter of Miki Haran – Netanyahu’s first wife.

And this:


I checked out Daniel Roth, Netanyahu’s son-in-law, a couple of years ago, when I was first getting into all this.

The Roth’s aren’t Breslov.

If they are anything, they are Chabad.

(From HERE.)

Or maybe, Gur:

If you go HERE, it’s an old ynet article about the bris of their second son, which links the Roths to R’ Avigdor Nebanzahl and Yeshivat Netiv Aryeh.

Point is, none of these people and places are Breslov.


This snippet about Daniel Roth comes from Ha’aretz, HERE:

For some years, DanielRoth has been trying to launch a business based on ties between Israel and China. Among other things, he founded companies and a public-benefit corporation, through the law firm of Netanyahu’s close associate David Shimron.

This screenshot comes from the Jpost, HERE:


Now, take a look at this blog post about ‘Danny Roth’ from the Times of Israel, back in 2016:



In case you were wondering, ‘IoT’ stands for ‘Internet of Things’.


Danny Roth is helping build greater trade and deal flow between Israel and China.

His China Israel Exchange develops programs and initiatives with government, academia, and industry, with the goal of strengthening the economic and cultural ties with both nations.

Focusing on digital health, Roth has an upcoming road show of Israeli companies…the program will feature 16 Israeli companies in IoT (Internet of Things) and digital health….


Remember, this was six years ago, already.

When Covid 19 was still just a twinkle in Netanyahu’s eye.


HERE is the main website for Roth’s China Israel Exchange, still going strong.

Here is it’s mission statement:


We’ll stop here.

You can just go on for ever with this stuff, but I just wanted to really spell out that there are HUGE differences between Breslov chassidut and Rabbenu’s path, and all the other ‘Sabbatean-Frankist’ groups out there.

I’m not saying that all of Breslov is good.

There is a ton of ‘fake’ Breslov too, today, as more and more people have tried to hitch their wagon to Rabbenu’s rising star.

And I’m not saying that things that aren’t Breslov are automatically ‘bad’.

The birur continues one person, one soul at a time.

And even if people come from ‘bad’ families, they can always make teshuva, and become some of the best people in the world.

Especially if they’re following Rabbenu’s advice, and treading in his footsteps to get out of the muck.


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Over the course of my research into the false messiahs like Shabtai Tzvi and Jacob Frank, another name kept coming up around the edges.

That name was ‘Asher Lemlein’.

Here and there, I’d catch references to some ‘false messiah’ in the 16th century who wreaked havoc on the Ashkenazi Jewish world, and caused hundreds and maybe even thousands of people to ‘turn Christian’, when their messianic hopes turned out to be unfounded.

I know you never heard about this.

It seems that almost nobody has ever heard about this, but I decided to try and track down more info, if possible, to see who he really was, and what really happened, the century before Shabtai Tzvi / SHACH appeared on the scene.


Last week, I finally got the book that sets out the whole story.

It’s called: Disputed Messiahs: Jewish and Christian Messianism in the Ashkenazic World during the Reformation, by Rebecca Vos, associate professor of Jewish history at Goethe University, Frankfurt.

Here’s the basic story of ‘Asher Lemlein’, and then we’ll see if we can track him down in some family trees, which will also be a very interesting addenda, because there is nothing new under the sun.


In the Middle Ages, there was an open spiritual ‘war’ going on between xtianity and Judaism, as to who was really ‘God’s chosen people’.

The xtians believed that God had basically dumped the Jewish people, and was now orchestrating their ongoing persecution at the hands of the xtians, because the Jews has failed to recognise Yoshki as the ‘true Moshiach’.

In our times, this idea is called ‘xtian replacement theology’,  and it’s at the heart of a lot of what is currently going wrong in the State of Israel.


In an over-simplified nutshell, the xtians knew their bible very well, and they knew the prophecy given to Rivka that ‘Yaakov’ would serve ‘Esav’, and that when one brother was up, the other would be down.

And they also knew all the prophecies about Edom (Esav) being destroyed at the end of days.

But, the xtians flipped everything on its head, to say that they were the ‘new Yaakov’, and that the Jews themselves had now been cast in the role of ‘red Edom’ / Esav.


Around this time, there was a lot of talk of the ‘Red Jews’, associated with the lost 10 tribes of Israel, who the xtians believed would show up again when the Jewish moshiach came to do battle the xtians and take vengeance against them for their horrible treatment of the Jews in their midst.

There is a set of stained glass windows from 1370 that commemorate these ‘Red Jews’, in St Mary’s church in Frankfurt an der Oder. One of them is called: The Antichrist with the Red Jews beside the Sambatyon River.

In case you hadn’t figured this out already, in xtian eyes, the true Jewish Moshiach is their ‘antichrist’, who was meant to come and fight against the xtians at the End of Days.

So, the xtians were super-vigilant about any potential ‘Moshiach’ candidates in Europe, and that also contributed to an atmosphere where the Jews usually tried to cover up the discussion about their fake messiah candidates, so it wouldn’t spark retribution from the xtians.


This is the background, and it’s part of why you’ve never heard of  the false messiah Asher Lemlein (Gunzburg?).

Let’s tell his story now, and then we’ll get to the other reason why you’ve never heard of him.

Vos starts her chapter on this guy with these words:

“At the turn of the sixteenth century, messianic expectations among European Jews and Christians reached a zenith.”

Europe was being convulsed by peasant revolutions; the Spanish empire (which had just kicked out or converted most of its Jews) was expecting ‘the end’ imminently; and the Ottoman Turks had just recently conquered the seat of the Byzantine church in Constantinople – and were on the march towards Europe itself.

Everyone was talking about geula.


On the Jewish side of the fence, Yitzhak Abravanel published Ma’ayenei HaYeshua in 1497, which identified the year 5263 (1503) as a very auspicious year for the coming of Moshiach.

Meanwhile, on the non-Jewish side, the astrologers were off calculating planetary movements, and saw that in 1503-1504, there would be an unusual and propitious ‘conjunction of the superior planets’, namely Mars, Saturn and Jupiter.

Let’s just press pause for a moment, to explain once again that there is nothing new under the sun.

Every ‘false messiah’ episode in Jewish history has always been fuelled by some sort of ‘auspicious year’ prediction for the coming of Moshiach, combined with weird planetary activity, plus wars, famines and natural disasters.

Personally, that’s comforting to me, as the world continues to disintegrate into madness.

There is nothing new under the sun, and just like we weathered previous crazy times, we will weather this period of time, too.


So, back to Asher Lemlein.

Whaddya know, in this heady atmosphere, a whole slew of ‘prophets’ suddenly turn up around 1500, both in the Jewish and the xtian worlds – and especially in Italy.

One of the more famous non-Jewish prophets around this time is Girolamo Savonarola, who preaches fire and brimstone sermons about people needing to repent because ‘the end is nigh’ – until the Vatican leaders decided to execute him, because they were sick of him pointing out all their corruption to the masses.

At this same time, one ‘Asher ben Meir Lemlein Ashkenazi’ suddenly steps into the limelight, on the Jewish side of the fence.


According to Vos, he first appears around 1500, and his family seems to hail from the city of ‘Reutlingen’, where the Jews were expelled in 1495.

I can’t find anything for ‘Reutlingen’, but there was a Jewish community at that time, at that place, in Treutlingen, which apparently burned down in 1495.

Snippet from HERE:

Treuchtlingen (among Jews, Troilingen) of Middle Franconia. Germany. Jews were among the victims of the Black Death persecutions of 1348-49. In the 17th and 18th centuries, they lived under letters of protection and constituted one of the important communities in Bavaria

 Vos explains that a lot of Jews from the area of the ‘Holy Roman Empire’ that we now know broadly today as Germany settled in Italy around this time, mostly as a result of persecution.


Istria, the area where Lemlein started preaching, near Venice, was known for having a Jewish community that was populated by bankers, traders and money lenders.

This snippet comes from HERE:


Asher Lemlein was a kabbalist with some very ‘controversial’ opinions about the transmigration of souls and techiat hameitim.

His kabbalistic teachings were strongly criticised by the author of the Shalshelet ha-kabbalah, amongst other contemporary kabbalists.

Vos states that his views “caused outrage and indignation”, even before he proclaimed himself officially as a prophet in 1500, to a group of h is students in the Italian town of Isola.

Snippet, from page 53:

[H]e professed the ability to produce signs and wonders with the help of angelic and divine names….Lemlein appeared to many as other insane, or possessed by a demon…”


These false messiahs ALWAYS have their hands mixed up with ‘practical kabbalah’ aka demon-conjuring, to perform their ‘miracles’ and persuade the masses that they are who they pretend to be.

We saw the same thing with Jacob Frank, and his father-in-law Dr Falk, the demon-conjuring bad ‘baal shem’ of London (and founder of the satanic Order of the Golden Dawn), who is still being venerated as a ‘tzaddik’ today….

There is nothing new under the sun.


So, Lemlein shows up, does some open miracles via the use of impure names and conjuring demons, then starts to tell the many hundreds of thousands of Jews that God wants to bring the geula very soon.

But, before that can happen, he tells the Jewish community that they need to go through six months of agonizing ‘penances’, bodily mortifications and teshuva.

Lemlein tells them if they do this (p55):

“[A] fiery column with a dark cloud shall surround all Jews, in the same way as happened in the times of Pharoah, and drive them again to Jerusalem, where the temple shall be rebuilt and offerings made.”


And the Jews, God bless them, they do it!!!

They fast 2 and 3 times a week, they flagellate themselves, they wear sack cloth non-stop

With maximum self-sacrifice. Even for more than six months, they do all this for almost a year.

And then…. nothing happens.

And so many Jews get so disappointed that after all that effort for the ‘false messiah’, they still didn’t get to geula, literally hundreds and thousands of them start converting en masse to Christianity, because they have lost hope of the geula ever happening.


One of those famous Jewish apostates is Johannes Pfefferkorn.

Pfefferkorn becomes one of the most vicious anti-Jewish, anti-Talmud opponents of his former brethren.

This snippet is from his Wikipedia page – which totally omits any mention of how Asher Lemlein caused the Pfefferkorn family to convert:

Johannes (Josef) Pfefferkorn (1469–1523) was a German Catholic theologian and writer who converted from Judaism. Pfefferkorn actively preached against the Jews and attempted to destroy copies of the Talmud…


Another famous apostate is ‘Anton Margaritha’, who converts in 1522, also despairing of geula.

Wikipedia states that his father was Rabbi Jacob Margolioth of Ratisbon / Regensburg.

But according to the Encyclopaedia of Judaism, HERE, ‘Anton Margaritha’ was Jacob’s grandson:


There’s a few interesting things here.

Take a look at who Jacob Margolioth’s son is: Shalom Shakhna, the author of Yam she-Asah Shelomo.

Geni is totally missing this ‘Shalom Shakna’ out, for some reason.

I think he could be the same as this guy, the father-in-law of the REMA, who mysteriously has no parents despite being such a famous rabbinical figure, and who we’ve already written about being a suspected Karaite.

Screenshot from HERE:


In the meantime, this comes from the YIVO website:

SHALOM SHAKNAH (ca. 1495–1558), rosh yeshivah and rabbi in Lublin; chief rabbi of Poland.

Shalom Shakhnah ben Yosef was born into one of the richest Jewish families of Poland. His father Yosef (Yoska) and grandfather Shakhnah were successful farmers of customs duties in Poland. After Yosef’s property was plundered, he moved from Lwów to Lublin in about 1504 and opened a money-lending business.

After Yosef’s death in 1507, Shakhnah maintained the business, but subsequently turned to Torah study and a rabbinical career.


So, ‘Yosef (Yoska)’ turns out to be R Jacob Margoliyot;

  • The Margoliyots turn out to be ‘one of the richest families in Poland’, with tight links to the royalty and jobs as royal tax farmers;
  • Jacob / Yosef moves to Lublin the exact same year that false messiah Asher Lemlein is proven to be a bust, causing tons of Jews convert to xtianity;
  • One of his sons is Shalom Shachne SHOR, REMA father-in-law, tax farmer, suspected Karaite and Chief Rabbi of Poland
  • Another one of his sons is R’ Shmuel of Posen – ABD of Greater Poland before his brother Shalom Shachne, and father of the famous Jewish apostate ‘Anton Margaritha’…

Are you starting to understand why there are so many ‘mysteries’ all the time in these family trees?


Let’s get back to Asher Lemlein.

By 1509, he’s known to have run away to Israel – to Tsfat, specifically – where he’s writing things about why the Moshiach didn’t come the way he promised everyone he would, back in 1502/3.

He has a ‘vision’ where he’s shown that the main reason Moshiach didn’t come then… is because the Sephardim are mangling the prayers by mispronouncing the Hebrew letters…

But that’s not all. He also writes this about the Sephardim (p59):

“They all became apostate…, because they did not believe in God and had no faith in His redemption, saying belief is but an invention of the masses. And all of this is merely the fruit of philosophy.”


It’s all so strange, these writings, because a large percentage of the Jewish population had converted to Christianity barely 20 years before, in 1492, and were still living as xtians.

Like, duh!

Of course God wasn’t happy with them doing that…

And yet, this massive piece of information is so regularly and so casually overlooked, in ways that are hard to fathom.


Apparently one of Asher Lemlein’s ‘big believers’ was none other than Eliezer Treves.

He’s that same Eliezer Treves who married Jutta Treves, and sired most of ‘big rabbinical families’, plus a whole bunch of mysteries about why so many people in his family appear to be marrying their aunts.

Snippet from pg 71:

“[As told by David Gans, his student Frankfurt am Main] Decades after Lemlein’s prophecy, Treves was heard to say ‘that it was no empty word and that he had produced signs and wonders. And he said that perhaps our sins led to it and delayed him [the Messiah’.”


As to Lemlein himself… he apparently disappears without a trace of any family or descendants – like all these false messiahs always do.

But… I’m struck by the similarity in name of this guy, Asher Aharon Leamali Ulma Guntzburg, hanging out bang in the middle of the Guntzburg family tree that all roads eventually lead back to, when I’m trying to track down ‘interesting people’:


This guy seems to be 80 years too late to be ‘Asher Lemmlein’ himself.

But if I’ve learnt one thing about the family trees of false messiahs, it’s that they lie about just about everything.

And history has a funny way of repeating itself over and over and over again, when it comes to ‘false messiahs’ popping up in this particular extended family tree, which leads us to the SHACH / Shabtai Tzvi and also to Jacob Frank (and later on, to the Satmar Rebbe, the Chabad dynasty, and a whole bunch of other chassidic rebbes, plus of course, the Vilna Gaon.)


Who knows, really, whether ‘Asher Lemmlein’ just vanished in thin air in Tsfat, or whether he and his family got recycled again as the infamous Gunzburg clan?

But one thing is clear:

There is really nothing new under the sun.


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A few hours before Shabbat, someone sent me a message via the contact form.

Long story short, it said that a mekubal said that Moishy Kleinerman left home because he experienced something very difficult, and a few other things, too.

Then, someone else sent me a message that two different mekabalim are saying that Moishy is still alive, and one of them even drew a map of where he is.

I thought very deeply about this over Shabbat, and it seems to me to be at least possible that the reason no-one can find Moishy is not because God forbid, the worst has happened, and possibly not even because he’s been kidnapped.

But maybe, because he doesn’t want to be found at the moment.


Before that whole ‘fake arrest’ thing, where they took a homeless guy from Meron into custody and claimed they’d found a body, there was a story that Moishy had made a complaint that someone had been abusing him (in that most horrible of ways…) to the police back in January, that the police hadn’t taken seriously.

There is a certain ‘look’ that these abused kids have in their faces, especially the boys, and for a few different reasons I got to know it very well the last couple of years.

Moishy has that ‘look’ in his face, in his eyes.

So, I am starting to revise my idea of what might be going on here.


It seems at least possible now, that Moishy was being abused, and that the police and / or his parents either couldn’t or wouldn’t take it seriously, and didn’t act to get the abuse to stop.

Maybe the parents were being threatened or pressured with horrible recriminations from the abusers if they supported a police complaint, maybe, they didn’t even know what was happening to their son.

Separately, the police seem to have had an interest in covering the whole thing up, and not putting any effort into finding Moishy, because whoever the abuser, or abusers, actually are, they seem to have some protekzia going on with the police.

And what better way for the police to make that problem ‘go away’ for the accused abusers than to refuse to get involved in searching for Moishy?

This is clearly just speculation.

But it’s what I myself am starting to believe is the most likely scenario, given the information currently on the table, and the fact that multiple kabbalists are saying Moishy is alive, and still in Israel.


In the meantime…. more and more bits of this puzzle are starting to fall into place by themselves.

Someone just sent me a link to this story from today’s Dus Iz Neis site::

Well respected Rav & Dayan from Bnei Brak Banished and Exiled to Tzfat because he raped a married lady

While I was taking a look, I noticed this article in the sidebar:

“Groiser Rebbe” From Ramat Beit Shemesh & Montreal Charged with incest

It’s from June 17, 2022.

And I know the name of the man mentioned very well.

He is one of the key ‘curators’ (and descendants…) on many of the family trees of the ‘interesting’ families I have identified as being Sabbatean-Frankists still within the Orthodox community, on Geni.


If that’s not enough of a CO-IN-CID-ENCE, the accused’s late wife also comes from an ‘interesting’ family.

See HERE and HERE.

She died in a car accident seven years ago, coming back from Meron on L’ag B’omer.

Snippet from the Duz Iz Nies website:

According to a report from 2015, [the accused] was running a synagogue in Israel for a haredi congregation known as Kehillas Kosson.



‘Kosson’ sounded familiar to me, from all the research I was doing into R Eliezer Shick and R Yoel Roth last week.

Remember, Roth’s ancestor and namesake is Rabbi Yoel Tzvi ROTH of Khust (Chust).

Remember, ‘Chust’ leads us straight back to the ‘Chust-Israel Rebbe’ Baruch Leifer – father-in-law of Malka Leifer – who was recently arrested for the same crimes as this guy.

How does all this link to ‘Kosson’, you want to know?


The late R Eliezer Schick was married to Yachne Shifra Rottenberg.

Her father is Rabbi Asher Yeshayahu Rottenberg of Kosson.

The shul in Ramat Bet Shemesh where the ‘Geni abuser’ was hanging out in Israel is the Kehillas Kosson, currently run by another Rottenberg. Screenshot from the comments HERE:

HERE is part of that family tree, for those who may be interested in seeing what other ‘choshuver fish’ swim in that pond.



Let’s just pause to say that the very brave victims of this abuse (who appear to be mostly women, so far…) also come from these ‘interesting families’.

And they are exhibiting truly enormous strength of character, to decide to press charges and to go public with what’s happened to them.

This is clear proof that the yichus is not what matters, but the person’s own middot and emuna and drive to do good in the world, and to fix what has gone so wrong.

May Hashem give them the strength and the fortitude to continue.


Point is…. most of our ‘rebbes’ and our ‘leading rabbis’ all come from these interesting families.

Point is, most of these ‘interesting families’ seem to have very deep ‘Sabbatean-Frankist’ roots – just that all got covered up.

Screenshot from HERE:


Point is, awful abuse of children is rife in the chareidi and chassidic world, not least because THE PEOPLE AT THE TOP KEEP ENABLING IT AND COVERING IT UP – if they aren’t engaging in it themselves (because they come from Sabbatean-Frankist families where this sick behaviour has been a religious practise for hundreds of years, already.)

Point is, most of the chareidi kids who went sharply ‘off the derech’ are going off BECAUSE THEY WERE ABUSED BY SOMEONE ‘FRUM’ IN THEIR COMMUNITY and / or THEIR OWN FAMILIES.

Point is, this could easily have happened to Moishy Kleinerman, amongst so many others, and because he couldn’t see any other way of stopping the abuse, it’s at least possible he decided to totally disappear out of the picture, instead.



That’s the main point.


I asked a shailah last week if I should continue investigating this stuff, especially in connection with the direct ‘chareidi / chassidic’ connections to the pedophile ring still operating in Jerusalem.

I wanted to know if it’s safe for me to continue researching this, at the moment.

The answer I got back is that I should press ‘pause’ on this research, at least for now, so that is what I’m doing.

I still have my hands full with the Frankist family trees from 300 years ago, with the Covid 19 ‘vax’ aftermath, with the fact that the Israeli government appears to have totally destroyed the area all along the Dead Sea during the last two years of lockdowns, which is now an ecological nightmare of massive proportions….

Amongst other things.

(As I type this, Joe Biden is apparently landing in a helicopter next to the First Station, where I buy my kombucher… So I guess he’s taking my supermarket out of action as well as closing all the roads down in Jerusalem for his visit. Nice guy!)


So, until I get a different steer, this is my last post on this particular topic for now.

Lots to think about.

Lots to pray about.

And in the meantime, more and more information is coming to light all the time, about what is really going on under the surface in our communities, and why we haven’t been redeemed ‘the sweet way’ before now.


Who knew, that things were this bad, this tumah-dik, this hypocritical?

It really starts to explain a lot, doesn’t it?

But now we are starting to understand the contours of the problem better, that means we can also get on to finding the solution.

And that’s the bit I’m really looking forward to, BH.



As is my way, I started tootling around seeing if I could tickle out how R’Yoel Roth, one of the last people to see Moshe Kleinerman alive, and the late R’ Eliezer Shick might be connected.

In THIS post, we learnt that:

  • R’ Yoel Roth is currently being investigated by the NYPD for performing under-age marriages in the US;
  • R’ Roth is the grandson of the ‘Klausberg Rebbe’ Yehezkel Roth, who was the main posek for Satmar, and who built a massive complex in Meron.
  • R’ Yoel Roth has a camp for teenage boys in the Catskills called Camp Heichel Hakodesh Breslov.
  • R’ Yoel Roth apparently ‘inherited’ his kehillah from the late R’ Eliezer Schick, aka ‘the Tzaddik of Yavniel’ – who also got arrested in Israel back in 2011, for performing underage marriages.


Thanks to Daniel Amram, we have this proof that Moishy Kleinerman was travelling around with R’ Yoel Roth’s group, and spent a number of days with them:


The last place Moishy was seen with R’ Yoel Roth’s group was in Meron (where that huge complex is that belonged to Roth’s grandpa, the ‘Klausberg Rebbe’) .

We also know that the police and media in Israel have been strangely reticent to talk about R’ Yoel Roth’s connection to this case.

And that the police apparently have ‘no leads’ to go on, even though they have cameras all over the country, including in Meron, and could presumably see very easily if Moishy Kleinerman left Meron with R’ Yoel Roth’s group, or whether he stayed behind.

It’s little details like this, that start to build up the picture, and show you who you should be talking to, to get ‘more leads’…


Let’s restate this point, it’s so important:

The whole of Meron is BRISTLING with the latest hi-tech AI cameras, and they are literally set up all over the place at multiple locations.

I guarantee the police have footage of Moishy Kleinerman in Meron shortly before he went missing, and it’s outrageous that they aren’t releasing that footage publically, to try and fill in more of the gaps of:

  1. IF Moishy Kleinerman actually left Meron; and
  2. WHO Moishy Kleinerman left Meron with, if he actually left Meron at all.

The biggest red flag in all this is the total police apathy and criminal cover-up.

This was never about some ‘homeless man’ abusing and then killing Moishy, to keep him from talking.


Here’s some other information I’ve now learnt about this case.

  1. There is a mekubal (at least one) advising the family, who told the people looking for Moishy last week to search in a particular location close to Meron. As soon as the police heard about this, they announced they’d ‘found the killer’, and the search was called off.

Do you believe in CO-IN-CID-ENCES?

Because I don’t.

2. The police then slapped a gag order on the whole case – only to release their “homeless man” suspect a few days later, when they went to Moishy’s parents to tell them they’d got it all wrong, and they are back to square one, apparently with no leads.


So, that’s the background.

And now, let’s take a closer look at how R’ Yoel Roth appears to have ‘inherited’ the kehilla of R’ Eliezer Shick, the late ‘Tzaddik of Yavniel’.

Again, God forbid, I’m not accusing R’ Yoel Roth of anything. I’m just taking a ‘wide lense’ approach to looking at this, to see if more of the details of what may have happened to Moishy start coming together.

If I was in R’ Roth’s shoes, I would be voluntarily speaking to the police here to help them with their search, and I would be demanding that police release the footage from Meron that shows Moishy’s last recorded movements there.

If Moishy clearly didn’t get on the bus with the rest of R’ Roth’s group when they left Meron, that is a huge piece of relevant information. And if he DID get on the bus….

Then there is another lead to explore.


First stop on our journey of discovery: the Wiki page for R’ Eliezer Shick.

HERE‘s the English page, but there’s a Hebrew page on the Hamichlol site HERE that gives a lot more pertinent details.

First, let’s get the ‘elephant in the room’ out the way.

There was for sure underage marriages being performed in Yavniel all the time – I had a former friend who joined the community there, and who married off her sons at a young age.

And she was by no means unusual.


My feelings about this issue are extremely mixed.

In the old days, girls would be married at 12 and boys at 13 – this is how Rebbe Nachman and Rav Natan started their married lives, straight after their batmitzvahs.


We are not in the ‘old days’ right now, and while I totally agree with people getting married as early as they can, and I think that there is no reason why a 16 year old, say, couldn’t choose to get married (except that the corrupt secular law now forbids that….), there IS another side to that discussion that I find very disturbing.

And that is the idea that these kids may be getting pressured by their parents into marrying underage, without really choosing that themselves.

And not just in places like Yavniel.


I know of someone personally, not from the Breslov community, who married their daughter off age 15, by lying about her real age to the shadchan.

The family said she was 17 – so they’d still have to do an ‘illegal wedding’.

That parent was having a very hard time with her daughter, and was worrying she would go off the path, and getting her married off very young seemed to be the solution she came up with.

I don’t think that’s OK, personally.


At the same time, lots of my daughter’s friends got engaged at 17, and married on or around their 18th birthdays.

And that is really healthy and good, in my view, not least because this is the path these girls were choosing for themselves, they weren’t being pressured into it, by their rav or parents.

So, the whole underage marriage thing is a very fraught, complicated subject, because I don’t believe it’s better for teenagers to be having relationships out of wedlock, and at the same time, the secular authorities just keep raising the age when you can legally get married.

(But you can apparently ‘change sex’ and have a double mastectomy or castrate yourself any age you want….)


Let’s get back to Rav Shick.

Snippets from the Wiki page HERE:

Eliezer Shlomo Schick was born in Jerusalem, Mandatory Palestine, to Rabbi Menachem Zev, the gaavad (head of the rabbinical court) of Tokay, Hungary, and his wife Malka.

As a young boy, he learned in the Etz Chaim cheder.

When he was a youth, his family relocated to New York City, where he studied in the Kashauyeshiva and then in Mesivtha Tifereth Jerusalem under Rabbi Moshe Feinstein….

In 1962 he married Shifra Rotenberg, daughter of the Kossoner Rav, Rabbi Asher Yeshaya Halevi Rotenberg.


While Wikipedia doesn’t give details about his children, HERE I discovered that the late Rav Shick had at least two sons, one of whom apparently lives in Yavniel and leads the kehillah there.



HERE on the HaMichlol website, it gives more details and mentions Rav Shick’s other son, Nachman Schick, and about his two most prominent students,

Some of [R Shick’s] students accepted Rabbi Yitzhak Lazar as the successor to his Rabbinic legacy. Another prominent student is Rabbi Joel Roth.

Before his death, Rabbi Schick wrote that he had not appointed a leader in his place so that they would not patronize each other in the seminary. This is why the Seminary is leaderless, with the Heichal HaKadosh’s influencers effectively leading the public.

The most prominent among them: Rabbi Nachman Alexander Zosha Shik, [Rav Shick’s son] Rabbi Hillel Amdadi – the head of the Beit Shlomo Yebnal Yeshiva, Rabbi Avraham Naor-whom Rabbi Shik appointed as head of the Community Committee, Rabbi Eliyahu Maya – Director of the Yiddish Talmud Torah, Rabbi Avner Salma and Rabbi Yonatan Azrihab.


From what I can tell, R’ Yitzhak Azar now lives in Yavniel.

Meanwhile, the page for Rav Shick’s son Rabbi Nachman Alexander Zosha Shik has been totally scrubbed.

I don’t know why.

And that leaves us R’ Yoel Roth, who seems to have ‘inherited’ or taken over at least part of R’ Shick’s congregation in Williamsburg.


You can see the HaMichlol page for him HERE.

Translated snippets:

Rabbi Roth is the grandson of Rabbi Yehezkel Roth.

Soon after his marriage, he became acquainted with Rabbi Eliezer Shlomo Shik’s book “Asher in the Nahal” and has since grown close to the Hasidim of Breslav…

Rabbi Roth educates his students to be satisfied with little, especially in relation to their wedding expenses, in contrast to the Haredi public in the United States… he sends many of his students to live in Kiryat Breslav in Liberty, where apartment prices range from fifty to a hundred thousand dollars, and he also encourages his students to marry off their children at a young age.

In the summer of 2019, he founded Kiryat Breslav Liberty.


I just learnt from HERE that his grandfather, R Yehezkel Roth, WAS actually a Satmar chassid – a fact that has been peculiarly played down elsewhere, and that he and his wife are actually buried in Meron.


[Yehezkel Roth] studied at the Yeshiva of Beit Yosef Zvi Dushinsky in Jerusalem in the shadow of Rabbi Yisrael Moshe Dushinsky and at the Satmar Yeshiva in Jerusalem led by Rabbi Moshe Arie Frend

He married Haya Rachel, the daughter of Rabbi Chaim Ma’andel Cohen, of Satmar Chassidut in Katamon. In his youth, he served as a teacher in Jerusalem and was the rabbi of the Satmar Synagogue in Katamon.


OK, so from HERE, we learn about Yoel Roth’s new town in the Catskills, called ‘Kiryat Breslov Liberty’.

Translated snippet:

[Yoel Roth] encouraged his students to leave big cities like Williamsburg and Borough Park, where apartment prices are skyrocketing, and in the summer of 2019, he announced the establishment of a settlement at Liberty in the Catskills, urging his students to move in. 

After 3 years, as of the end of 2021, about a hundred families live in the place.


This sounds like another place where people should be checking for Moishy Kleinerman leads.

Don’t you think?

If you go HERE, you’ll find a bunch more information and pictures about the ‘Kiryat Breslov’ in Liberty, up in the Catskills (only in Hebrew).


Again, this is just basic policing 101, to check and double-check so you can cross stuff off the list.

It makes sense, to at least check into the possibility that Moishy may have been whisked away to be ‘married underage’ without his parents’ knowledge.

Doesn’t it?


Last things for now.

R’ Eliezer Shick has a very interesting family tree, that leads directly to the heart of most of the ‘interesting’ people I’ve been researching. Of itself, that’s not a smoking gun, but it’s interesting to note that all these people always seem to be so closely connected to each other, stretching back over many centuries.

Also, Tokay (where Rav Schick’s family are originally from) and Satmar are connected.

When I went to check out Yoel Roth’s yichus, I got to this guy and apparent namesake, R’ Yoel Zvi Roth of Chust.


I remembered seeing ‘Chust’ somewhere recently, so I did a search for it on my blog, and this is what came up:


Ah yes.


I don’t know what all this means.

But it’s certainly an interesting CO-IN-CI-DENCE.


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Last week, I decided to go to the Malcha Mall in Jerusalem, for the first time in three years.


I’m taking advantage of the current lull in ‘corona fascism’ to go places that were verboten before, for people who didn’t have a fascist ‘green pass’, or who weren’t willing to walk around in a mask the whole time. I find these trips are getting rid of any lingering Fear Of Missing Out (FOMO) about all the yucky, evil culture we’re all drowning in.

Sure enough, the minute I stepped into Malcha Mall, I could see that one visit every three years is more than enough.

But I’d come with my daughter, and so we walked around a bit, just to solidify the understanding that the FOMO for places like Malcha Mall was completely misplaced.


She decided she wanted to go to Urbanica, Bar Rafaeli’s cheap clothes store aimed at teenagers and older people who should really know better.

I hate the whole ‘vibe’ in Urbanica, and I always have.

It’s full of clothes that are cheap in every sense of the word, and that mostly just degrade the people who wear them, But my daughter was actually headed to the housewares section, so I went with her, and tried to avoid the huge, massive video screens of ‘cool people’ wearing Urbanica clothes set up all over the store.

Except I couldn’t.

The colours were so garish, the video screens were so big, I found myself rooted to the spot, watching ‘celebrity pop stars’ Static and Ben-El strike poses surrounded by a bevy of young models all doing that sickening ‘seductive’ thing in cheap clothes….

I literally started to feel like I wanted to throw up.


Ben-El was covered in tattoos and looked like a freak show, despite his perma-white teeth.

The girls looked so hard and crude, despite all the make-up and expensive styling.

And something in my soul started to cry out Hashem!! Enough already!! Enough of all this degrading, disgusting, demonic ‘street culture’ that is teaching our sons and daughters to act, dress and behave in such cheap, soul-destroying ways!!

My daughter finished up, and we got out of Malcha Mall fast.

Once every three years is more than enough.


Everything in Israel has been ‘open for business’ for the last couple of months now.

But I find I still like staying in my house, or visiting holy places, or spending time in nature, quietly, over all the things that were ‘off limits’ or shut during the Covid 19 plandemic.

The culture has got so toxic, I am finding it hard to be ‘out on the street’ so much, watching all the people who permanently mutilated themselves with really ugly tattoos walking by.

I watch all those people tripping over their own feet as they walk along the pavement with their smart phones held up in front of their faces, scared to miss out on even one Whats App message…

I see the people with their masks under their chins still, (like, what?!) – or walking around in full-mask + massive sunglasses, to ensure no ‘Covid germs’ get into their eyeballs….

And I just want to be away from them all.

My tolerance for these types of people is steadily evaporating with each day that passes.


And honestly, I’m having a similar experience online, too.

Between all the ‘trans’ propaganda being pushed by Reform-funded fake orthodox Jews; all the awful pedophilia and abuse that is still being covered up in the chareidi world, but is for sure going on across the board in the non-chareidi world too; all the xtian missionaries infiltrating the Jewish world at every level; all the evil-propaganda-masquerading-as-news….

Most of the stuff online is also totally nauseating.

I am so yearning for kedusha.

I am so yearning for this world of lies to fall already, so we can get on with the job of living in this world as holy creations, and where God’s light can be seen and felt everywhere.


But in the meantime…

We aren’t quite there  yet.

And so, I have to keep walking that tightrope between fighting for kedusha, and fighting against evil, without getting totally swamped by the sickening, soul-destroying tarbut ra that is oozing in from every side.


But there is also some good news.

Things are now so bad on ‘the street’, that even my teenage daughters are coming to the conclusion that they should ditch their smart phones and return to a more simple way of life.

And they aren’t alone.

There were big rallies in the US last week, encouraging women in the chareidi world to pull the plug on the internet, and come offline.

More and more of us are waking up to the fact that using ‘social media’ means you are effectively swimming in a mental swamp of poisonous ideas and toxic ‘influencers’, peddling stuff that simply just kills your soul (and your brain cells…) 

I know more and more young people who are closing down their Facebook and Instagram and TikTok, and who are starting to search for something holy.

Over the next few months, I think this is only going to accelerate.

Because the blinders ARE falling off the eyes of so many people right now, and more and more of us are looking for a way out of the social media swamp, to get back to a life of kedusha and God-awareness.


But in the meantime, the war continues.

And that brings me back to the topic of the cover-up going on around Moishy Kleinerman.

HERE‘s a headline from YWN from yesterday, that says it all:

That ‘suspect’ was only ever a distraction, to try to get the public to shut up about Moishy Kleinerman while the police could carry on with their standard ‘cover up the truth’ operation.


Every square inch of Israel is now covered with sophisticated AI facial recognition cameras – including up North, by Meron.

Also, the parents have been told by genuine mekubalim with ruach hakodesh that their son is still alive.

That means he got kidnapped, and is being held against his will somewhere.


One of the last people who saw him was R’ Yoel Roth, who has a reputation for enticing kids away from their parents, to get married under the legal age without their parents’ consent.

Screenshot from HERE:



Roth, 39, who is also known as Yoel, is described by some in the ultra Orthodox community as a charismatic figure popular among adolescent boys and girls.

He is also known for alienating the youngsters from their parents.

“He’s a bona fide cult leader who’s basically making minced meat out of parents,” said one community insider.

Roth is reportedly an adherent of a philosophy that dictates in order to save young boys from sexual “sin” they should be married off young.

He is the grandson of Rabbi Yechezkel Roth, a noted Jewish legal scholar who died last month at 86 and whose Brooklyn funeral attracted large crowds.


If you didn’t see this already, go back and view it – it’s blogger Daniel Amram, talking in English about his ‘confrontation’ with Yoel Roth about Moishy Kleinerman, from a few weeks ago:


It is incredible to me that Yoel Roth has not been questioned by Israeli police, and that his name has been effectively ‘airbrushed’ out of this whole conversation about what really happened to Moishy Kleinerman.

Again, we see the police telling Moishy’s parents that they have ‘no leads’ – and again, we see them pointedly refusing to start questioning some of the people who might actually give them solid information that could lead to a breakthrough.


I went to take a closer look at Roth’s grandfather, R’ Yechezkel Roth.

Snippets from his Wikipedia page, HERE.

After many years of living in Israel, he emigrated to the US, where he eventually became recognized as one of the great Diaspora poskim.Years later, he began dividing his time between New York and Israel, where he would seclude himself for weeks on end in Meron in the spiritual shadow at the most famous for the tomb of Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai.

In 1972, the Satmar Rebbe, Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum sought a Posek with uncompromising spiritual standards to serve on the Satmar beis din in Boro Park…

He dispatched messengers to Roth’s home in Israel requesting that Rav Roth relocate to Boro Park to disseminate Torah, and Roth assented. Since then, he lived in New York, and although he is not officially affiliated with any group, he has close ties with the Satmar community.


There’s a strong link between the Roth family, and Meron – where Moishy Kleinerman went missing.

HERE’s an indepth article about R’ Yechezkel Roth’s links to Meron, form the Mishpacha magazine.



The Roth family apparently owns a massive property in Meron.

Snippet from the same Mishpacha story, above:


Again, I’m not suggesting the Roths are directly involved with Moishy Kleinerman’s disappearance.

What I AM saying is that Yoel Roth and his followers who were there in Meron should be questioned by the Israel Police for any leads and information they may have that could lead to more clues.

And the Roth house in Meron should also be searched, to see if there are some ‘clues’ to Moishy’s whereabouts that could be gleaned from there.

This is ‘policing 101’, and I simply can’t understand why this wasn’t done by the police 3 months ago, and still isn’t being done today….


But this time, the parents aren’t backing down.

They are trying to raise money to hire private investigators to start figuring out where Moishy actually is, and you can donate to that HERE, via the Chesed Fund.

I donated something, because I believe that finding what really happened to Moishy could finally blow all the spiritual corruption going on in this country totally into the open.

Here’s that link again:



I am so yearning for kedusha.

But it seems, there is still a way to go, before we finally get to that stage.



So, the more I look into R Yoel Roth, the more strange things I’m learning.

First, here’s his camp for boys in the Catskills, called:

Camp Heichel Hakodesh Breslov

(Click the link to see a photo essay from this camp on YWN, from 7 years ago.)


Last year, one of my friends in the Catskills called me to ask me if I’d heard of a ‘Breslov Rabbi called Yoel Roth’ whose followers were causing a lot of problems in the local shul.

I said I’d never heard of him, and that he wasn’t part of the Breslov I follow, i.e. that of Rav Berland, (and his students Rav Arush and Rav Ofer Erez).

It’s interesting there is this camp for boys in the Catskills, and that sounds like another place where the search for Moishy Kleinerman should continue.


Next, I’m trying to figure out how the grandson of Satmar posek, aka ‘Kalzburg Rebbe’ R Yechezkel Roth, is now popping up as an apparently ‘Breslov’ guru, with his own large kehillah.

Over on the Forward, HERE, I find this interesting snippet:


Why should Yoel Roth have ‘inherited’ R’ Shick’s followers like this?

The late Rav Shick was married to the daughter of the Kosson Rebbe, Rabbi Asher Yeshaya Halevi Rotenberg.

I don’t know if the ‘Rotenberg’ family and the ‘Roths’ are connected.

B’kitzur…. lots of weird things going on here, under the surface.



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A reader sent me this video, from last week.


It’s Daniel Amram’s video from over a week ago – a few days BEFORE the gag order was implemented in Israel, so not subject to it.

It’s in English, and Amram goes through in detail his meeting with R’ Yoel Roth, plus a bunch of other details about events leading up to Moishy Kleinerman’s disappearance, including false passports and a whole Shabbos that Moishy apparently spent in Meron with the R’ Roth group, which was the last day that anyone saw him.

Kleinerman’s family reached out to R’ Roth the week after he went missing…


I am simply amazed these details have not made it into the press, until Amram shares them here.

Listen, come to your own conclusions, and remember that Moishy Kleinerman DID NOT HAVE A PHONE.

He was calling his parents to check in from friends’ phones.

Something is being covered up here.

More than that, we can’t say.


But the truth will out.


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The last couple of weeks, I’ve been translating and transcribing the Channel 13 documentary on the pedophile ring in Sanhedria and Nachlaot.

You can see the original Hebrew HERE.

Why am I doing that? Because the journalist, Chaim Rivlin, actually did a very good job of putting together the information, and going forward, I wanted to have a record of what has been publically uncovered. And the second reason, is because when this stuff gets into English, then it’s instantly accessible to way more people in the world.

And public pressure is the only way that this stuff ever ‘moves’ (in terms of hishtadlut that is not praying for God to uproot all this evil once and for all.)

It’s all about keeping up appearances, didn’t you know?

So, the more people who can access and engage with this information, the higher the chances something might start to ‘catch’, and enough momentum will start to build for the very guilty parties in our midst to start being exposed, and held to account.


What I’m bringing you today is the very last part of the documentary, which begins around the 59 minute mark, where Rivlin is interviewing the police chief who was in charge of investigating the complaints of organised, xtian-based pedophila in Sanhedria.

(You can remind yourself of the basic details here:)



As we watch the ‘cover up’ of what really happened to Moishy Kleinerman unfold in full view, I thought it would be useful to understand whose side the police are really in, and the tactics they use to give the ‘appearance’ of investigating these crimes, when of course, they have absolutely no intention of really figuring out who did it.

Because they already know ‘who did it’, and they are covering up for them.



(Note: Chaim Rivlin will be abbreviated CR and italicised, the police chief will be referred to as POLICE.)

CR: When did you first hear about this matter?

POLICE: I have to tell you, that we are not talking about some sort of organised operation here, that began with a complaint that was made at the police station.

Rather, it began via a few different sources and routes, [the details] came by way of information and material. The investigation continued for a long time. There was no cooperation from the kehilla.

[Ed. note: This is something the police always like to claim, when dealing with pedophilia, and other crimes against children, in the chareidi community.]

When for two years – and this is the process I’m talking about – for two years you check things and you see that there is absolutely no evidence, also in the material that came to us that was ‘copied’ according to the idea that there is an organised ring here.


According to the material that I have, our argument is that the children were abused, but there is no connection between the cases.

The attempt to connect the victims, [was]in order to get some sort of what we call ‘financial gain’, or something, to get donations, it doesn’t matter what.


CR: No, you really think that therapists, who get 200 nis a meeting – and she BTW said that she didn’t take money from the parents at the beginning – that this is the incentive to go through this whole thing?!

That they would put such awful ‘imaginary’ ideas like these, into the heads of children?!

[Ed. note: In 2016, the police arrested one of the therapists who had been helping some of the pedo-abused children in Sanhedria, on the charge of ‘making the story up for money’.]


POLICE: See, when you see that on the one hand, there is absolutely no evidence to connect the cases – and I underline again, that there are cases [here] of sexual abuse – [but] there is absolutely no evidence to connect them.

From the other side, the reason for connecting them is to make it possible to collect very big sums of money, which essentially motivates a very, very big financial enterprise.


CR: Dani Brom, Joanna Silberg and also Ben Harosh [all licensed therapists / psychiatrists] appeared on our show, and they all said that ‘we have the feeling that all of the stories of the Christianity and the tunnels, etc, it’s a smokescreen designed to confuse everybody, and especially the kids themselves, so that they won’t be believed.

But, it seems to us that there IS an organised ring here.

Doesn’t that sound realistic?


POLICE: We live in a legal world of evidence.

I can’t bring rumors, ideas and thoughts. I need to bring evidence to court.


CR: If we were talking about some sort of singular occurrence, something unusual, like we’re describing, where kids are taken out of their schools and kindergartens in the middle of the day, whether with inside help or without the inside help of a whole bunch of people, and where it seems they are working in a very sophisticated way…

I can’t understand why the Israeli Police wouldn’t have picked up its feet, and used all the resources that it has, in order to beat this thing.

POLICE: Yes, yes.

CR: So, why didn’t that happen?


POLICE: Where is a complaint that kids are abducted from their institutions of learning, whatever they are, and there’s a camera, or there is…

CR: (Interrupting) So, you are saying that if the kidnapping happens in a place where there are no cameras, so then you’re not going to investigate?!

POLICE: That’s irrational. I’m just giving you an example.

CR: I don’t understand the logic. I just don’t understand the logic.


POLICE: It’s not logical that there is a complaint that a child is kidnapped and the whole story is based on the kid coming home late by 1/4 hour or 20 minutes!

CR: No, that’s not the story! No, no, no.

The mother recounted she was contacted by the kindergarten, which told her that today, her child came to school 1 1/2 hour late.

And during this time, according to the driver of the minibus, he was with him in the minibus. And afterwards, the kid comes home, and says that lots of the driver’s ‘older brothers’ got into the vehicle, and that he was very scared.

And afterwards, this kid develops exactly all the phenomena and symptoms that we spoke about [in the documentary]. And he said that he was taken from his school in a methodical manner. They did terrible things to him that I can’t even begin to describe.

This doesn’t sound to me like something that wasn’t worth properly investigating.

Who was this driver? What is this minibus company? And how did this kid get to school an hour and a half late?! And we know for a fact that this happened to him.

This doesn’t sound right.

[Ed. note: The police didn’t interview any of the drivers or ‘inside helpers’ who were suspected of taking these children out to the pedo ring.]


POLICE: So, like I said, I can’t [stuttering], I can’t refer to this specific case.

Also, complaints like this that came from the parents, if they existed – and there were some – at the end, A) the kid didn’t tell us this; and B) It’s impossible to get to any official information where it says this.

[Ed. note: Because the police refused to question any of the drivers or ‘inside helpers’, to start verifying whether this actually happened.]

CR: (Interrupts) But the nursery teacher said the kid came 1 1/2 hours late!!

POLICE: (Evasively) I don’t know, I’m not familiar with this, I’m not familiar.

CR: That’s not enough?

POLICE: No, I’m not familiar with this incident. I never heard about this incident.

[Ed. note: Remember, this is the police chief in charge of investigating the Sanhedria case for 2-3 years. Yet, he’s apparently ‘not familiar’ with a key piece of evidence that could have led to many different lines of enquiry and some very concrete ‘proof’ of what was really going on…]


CR: We collected 108 names of children.

This sounds to me like something that should have shaken the very foundations.

POLICE: The police doesn’t have any vested interests in not investigating this.

Agree with me. Ultimately, we are looking at the abuse of children [here].


CR: If that’s true, then you don’t believe them [the kids].

Instead, if that’s true, from the beginning you said that this is just regular pedophilia.

It’s chareidim, who want to try and pin this story on to non-Jews, on someone else. Yes, ‘tunnels’, and all that stuff. I heard these ‘theories’ from the police.

And then, you know, we don’t believe them. So, we’re really also not going to seriously investigate [their claims].


POLICE: The amount of time and resources that we’ve sunk into this investigation in total, is very large.

I would be, I wouldn’t say ‘happy’, exactly, but if I would have had a line of investigation that would have lead me to this ‘cult’ that you’re claiming, or to this group, whatever it’s objective is, I think that I would have put in much less resources into stopping these people, to investigate them and bring them to justice.

[Ed. note: This is an example of that phenomenon where these people ‘tell the truth’, despite themselves.]


CR: If 20 kids out of 108 tell you that they were videoed, shouldn’t this have pointed you in the direction of something called the ‘Dark Net’?

POLICE: Again, it’s possible to start many different lines of investigation…

CR: (Interrupts) But this is very simple!

POLICE: There was a mish-mash of complaints here…

CR: Did you check? Did you check on the ‘Dark Net’?

POLICE: (Evasively) We checked a lot of things. I’m not going to go over all the things we did with you.

CR: But you didn’t check on the Dark Net. You didn’t undertake a ‘cyber investigation’.

POLICE: (Getting angry) What do you mean, ‘Dark Net’?

CR: Cyber [i.e. internet]. A cyber investigation.

POLICE: If something was put up, and if I would have known that there is a line of enquiry, we would have [pause…] continued it.

[Now pointedly changing the subject…]


POLICE: Now, to return to the multiple complaints.

There were 100 names, or 2-300 names.

[Ed. note – here we see the real scope of the complaints was between 2-300 children]

This was a complaint that was alleged to us a few times. At the end, when you are giving specific details about this, a bill of indictment, evidence, an investigation, it’s not conducted upon 100 people. It’s conducted one by one, on the person who was hurt, the victim, and the suspect who hurt them. If there’s one suspect, or many suspects, it doesn’t matter.

CR: But these are small children who couldn’t say who was a suspect!!

And they were also psychologically manipulated, so that it would be impossible for them to give the name of a suspect. So, this requires a different way of thinking!


POLICE: So, we thought differently here! That’s what I’m trying to say! We thought differently here.

But ultimately, with the tools of the police, with ‘thinking out of the box’, we did a lot of things, much more than in the investigations that you call ‘regular investigations’.


The interview with the Police Chief ends.

You can see that the journalist Chaim Rivlin looks very uncomfortable and distressed throughout the interview, because even a moron can see that the police are lying through their teeth.

No-one was ever arrested, or apparently even questioned in connection to the pedophile ring in Sanhedria (apart from the therapists who were raising the alarm…)

Not the minibus drivers, not the caretakers and classroom helpers who were suspected of taking the kids out of school, not the large gang of ‘externally chareidi’ pedophiles, who appear to be acting as the go-betweens, ferrying these kids out to the xtian churches in the Old City, where they are then taken for ritual abuse sessions down in the basement of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre….

It’s hard to imagine what the police actually investigated for two years.

Also, none of the police investigators watched even so much as a frame of the recorded therapy sessions with the children, where they were telling their stories in their own words.


At the end of the documentary, Rivlin explains that the 100s of ritually-abused chareidi kids have absolutely no official framework helping them.

The Jerusalem City Hall isn’t interested, the social services aren’t interested. They have been left totally ‘hefker’.

45 of these families left Israel and went back to the States.

Many more of the families left Jerusalem.


But here’s the thing to understand, and that the journalists themselves stress:

This pedophile ring is still operating today.

Rivlin himself has a long list of suspects that he’s been given by vigilant parents, who are trying to figure things out themselves, to protect their kids, while the police continue to tell them they are imagining everything.

And apparently, it has now extended its operations beyond Jerusalem.


Remember  this, next time you hear a police spokesman blaming chareidim abuse victims for ‘not co-operating’ with them.

They just pull the same stunt again and again and again.

They did that in Nachlaot, ten years ago. They did it in Sanhedria six years ago. They are doing it again today, in Beit Vegan.

And in the meantime, the demonic pedophiles in our midst continue to get away with their awful crimes against children.

Until enough of us take this seriously, and say ‘ad kan’ – but no further.


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Over Shabbat, I read through pages 70-71 in Tractate Kiddushin.

I got to that Tractate from the MAHARASH’s responsa about the MAHARAL’s lineage.

First, I will bring the screenshots from that below (the highlighted area is where he specifically refers to the MAHARAL):


My husband translated this with me, and the MAHARSHAL refers extensively to pages 70-71 in Tractate Kiddushin in his very interesting responsa.

The Gemara begins by telling us:

Ten genealogical classes went up from Bablyonia to Eretz Yisrael: Kohanim, Leviim, Yisraelim, chalalim (disqualified Kohanim), converts, freed Caananite slaves, mamzerim, nesinim, shetukim and asufim.


The Gemara then gets into a whole big discussion about what a big, genealogical mess the whole thing is already (1800 years ago…).

Already back then, there were so many Kohanim who’d married goyim and ‘forbidden’ women without anyone knowing; and there were so many slaves who didn’t follow the proper procedure for being freed (which would render them as halachically Jewish converts) before marrying a Jew; and there were mamzerim walking around all over the place, due to adulterous affairs.

This is where the MAHARSHA starts quoting from, in his responsa.

Here’s some of what he says, taken directly from the Gemara in Kiddushin, 70b, with some ‘extra’ bits from the Gemara included for context.


R’ Chama the son of R’ Chanina said: When the Holy One, Blessed is He, rests His Divine Presence, He rests it only on the genealogically fit families in Israel….

[Another saying from R’ Chama the son of R’ Chanina:]

When the Holy One, Blessed is He, will purify the tribes in the Messianic era, by separating the genealogically tainted from the genealogically pure, He will purify the tribe of Levi first….

[FOOTNOTE 3: “[T]he sons of Levi” is a reference to the Kohanim, who are descended from Levi.]


R’ Yehoshua ben Levi said: Silver (i.e. wealth) purifies mamzerim, as it is said: And he shall sit [as] a refiner and purifier of silver, i.e. he shall purify mamzerim who mixed with Israel as a result of their ‘silver’.

Mamzerim that have gained acceptance into the legitimate congregation of Israel (e.g. through the use of their wealth) will not be isolated in the Messianic era….

[FOOTNOTE 4: According to R’ Yehoshua ben Levi, mamzerim will not be separated from the congregation of Israel, because too many families have been infiltrated by mamzerim.

When the verse says, He shall purify, it does not mean that the impurities will be removed; rather it means that the impurities themselves will be purified. (Rashi, see note 14 etc).]


The MAHARSHAL then quotes this next bit of the Gemara, in his responsa above:

R’ Yitzhak said: The Holy One, Blessed is He, performs and act of charity with Israel, in that once a genealogically tainted family (e.g a family into which a mamzer has married) is mixed with Israel, it is mixed.

Even in the Messianic era, the disqualified members of such a family will not be isolated.


Later on, there’s a story about R’ Pinchas, who made an announcement in the yeshiva in Babylon about ‘Eretz Yisrael’s genealogical status’ being inferior to that of Babylon’s.

FOOTNOTE 10 explains: “He anticipated that he would have to leave immediately after making this statement, because otherwise the students would demand that he corroborate his words by disclosing the identities of the disqualified families in Eretz Yisrael.”

The Gemara continues:

The students attempted to ascertain whether R’ Pinchas teaching was correct:

They sat and investigated the families of the Land of Israel, until the came to danger, and then they refrained from investigating further.

FOOTNOTE 12: “Their research led them to discover the disqualification of certain powerful families who would kill them [if their impurities were revealed] (Rashi).”


It’s very interesting that this is the page being cited by the MAHARSHAL, in relation to what was actually going on 500 years ago in the Jewish community.

Whoever understands, understands.


Let’s finish with one more story from the Gemara, in Kiddushin 71b, then we’ll sum up what we just learnt together.

Rav Ulla comes to visit Rav Yehuda in Pumbedita, and he sees that his son, Rav Yitzhak, is still unmarried, so he asks Rav Yehuda:

“What’s going on? Why haven’t you married your son off?” Rav Yehuda replies: “Who knows where I can find a genealogically fit wife for him?!”

Rav Ulla says to him: “Do we know where we come from?”

And then starts listing a whole bunch of verses stating how idolaters ravished Jewish women in the town of Judea in Biblical times; and talking about Jews who ‘defile their couches’, which R’ Abahu explains as referring to wife-swapping.


“Since our predecessors engaged in this type of adulterous activity, no-one can assume that he is genealogically fit!” says R’ Ulla.

So then, Rav Yehuda asks him, “So what do we do?” Ulla answered him: “Go after silence, i.e. seek a family whose members are quiet and peaceable…

[In Eretz Yisrael] they use the following method to investigate someone’s lineage:

“When two people would quarrel with each other, they would see which one is the first to quiet down, and then they would say, ‘that person is genealogically purer than the other.”


So, here’s the main takeaway points from Kiddushin 70a-72b:

  • Even 1800 years ago, there were so many forbidden and / or adulterous unions going on in the Jewish community, that even the head of the Torah Academy in Pumbedita was having trouble finding a ‘genealogically fit’ wife for his son.

  • Adulterous affairs and immoral behavior have been going on for so long, not even the most illustrious Jew today can be 100% sure that some ancestor of theirs didn’t put a massive spanner in their genealogical works.
  • It behooves us all to act with a little humility, and to stop thinking that ‘great yichus’ excuses terrible middot and evil actions.
  • When Moshiach shows up, he will declare everyone pure.

  • The exception to this is those people who pushed their way into the Jewish community ‘by force’, i.e. they never intended to convert sincerely, or to serve Hashem, they just wanted the status, money or other perks of technically being part of the Jewish community. Elijah the Prophet will push these people away.
  • The way you can tell how ‘genealogically pure’ someone is, is by checking their middot and temperament.

  • If they are angry, argumentative, brazen, obsessed with their own honor, always have to be right, and can never back down, make peace and apologise – then they probably aren’t so ‘fit’, Jewishly-speaking.
  • The more calm, conciliatory, peaceable and kind a person is, the more genealogically ‘fit’ they probably are.


There is so much more to say, as always, about how the ‘Kohanim’, dafka, are prominently in the middle of all these stories of mamzerim and unsuitable converts who ‘push their way in’ to the Jewish community, and use their money and government influence to stop anyone challenging them.

We covered some of those links already, like in this post, for example:

How Khazar Kings became ‘HaKohen Al-Khazari’


And also remember those missionary Elks, who claimed to be Kohanim?

Screenshot from HERE:


I was at the Israel Museum last week, looking at the sarcophagii that were found in Talpiyot, that many people claim are of ‘Jesus son  of Joseph‘ and his family.

It was found in a family tomb of Kohanim.

And that ties in with the claim that the early xtians themselves make Yoshki’s brother and first ‘Bishop of Jerusalem’, James, that he was some sort of alternative ‘High Priest’ – i.e. a Kohen.

And we know from our own sources, that Yoshki was a mamzer, and that everyone in the community apparently knew that.

All this stuff is very deeply connected to what is still going on in our communities today.

There is nothing new under the sun.


So, tachlis, we come back around to this:

Instead of focussing on yichus and external ‘status’, the discussion needs to be 100% on middot.

People with beards and payot – even Rebbes with beards and payot, even ‘modern orthodox’ Tzaddikim from RIETS – are doing unspeakable things in our communities, and enabling and excusing behavior that can only be called ‘pure evil’.

Any time that happens, there is a problem that needs to be addressed, not dodged or ‘shut down’ with personal insults against the people who are questioning what is going on, and trying to stop this evil from continuing.

At this stage, it seems nearly all of us probably come from ‘genealogically tainted’ families, one way or another, and Moshiach is going to resolve that issue, when he finally shows up.

But our part is to work on our middot.

As always.

And there are no shortcuts in that process, whoever you happen to be related to.


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The more bits of this we unravel, the more interesting things I’m learning.

Before we continue, I just want to talk a bit about King David.

As we all remember, King David’s yichus was awful. In fact, until the Prophet Shmuel actually annointed him King over Israel, there had been an argument raging for decades over whether David’s ancestor, Boaz, had even been permitted to marry a Moabite convert.

Because the Torah explicitly forbade converts from Moab and Ammon. 

It was only when the Prophet Shmuel showed up and finally clarified the halacha that the Torah’s prohibition was against male converts from Moab and Ammon, but that female converts were permitted, that the controversy finally died down.

And you remember, that Moab and Ammon came about as a result of an incestuous union between Lot and his two daughters…

And also, that Boaz came about as a result of the whole ‘affair’ between Tamar and Yehudah.


Why am I stressing this?

Because as the whole ‘yichus = automatically holy’ argument unravels more and more, we still need to remember that the very biggest souls like King David were sunk deep, deep in the hardest klipot.

Even if a person was born a mamzer, or descended from mamzers, that doesn’t necessarily mean that they themselves are ‘unholy’. It could even mean the opposite – that Hashem through those souls dafka into the deepest klipot, because they were the biggest souls, and had the hardest job of rectifying the evil in the world.

Let’s remember that, going forward, because it’s a person’s individual actions that really count, and not their ‘yichus’.

And as I’ve mentioned before, some of our biggest spiritual lights, including the Baal Shem Tov and Rabbenu himself are also connected to the family trees being discussed here.

(I’m still trying to figure it out, but it’s seeming more and more likely that the Arizal is also in the mix here, too….)


These are the ‘souls of King David’, sunk deep in the klipot, so they can finally rectify the evil side and bring all the holy sparks there back to God.


So now, let’s take a closer look at the Maharal of Prague, and the ‘fake genealogy’ that was manufactured for him 300 years ago, by a known Sabbatean.

While I was tootling around on Geni trying to figure out more about the REMA’s family tree for THIS post, I came across the following remarkable document by two East European academics, Alexandr Putík and Daniel Polakovič, called:

Judah Loew ben Bezalel, Called Maharal– A Study on His Genealogy and Biography

I am finding so much more real, factual information coming out of Eastern Europe – where these ‘histories’ actually took place – than in the West, where we have basically been raised on a bunch of fables and deliberately misleading bubbe meises.


These researchers begin with the ‘official history’ of the Maharal of Prague, that was written by one ‘Meir Kuskes Perels’, two hundreds years after the Maharal was alive.

Here’s how that begins:


The researchers ask a couple of very pointed questions:

  1. Why would someone who is not even descended from the Maharal of Prague be the one who is writing his official history and biography?
  2. Why would Meir Perels clearly and obviously lie and distort the truth in many different ways, in his account of the Maharal’s life and family relations?

While they do a very thorough job of bringing together a bunch of contemporary documents and sources in their pursuit of the answer, ultimately, they remain baffled.

I’m not claiming that I can answer the above questions, but my starting point is that ‘Meir Kuskes Perels’ was a known Sabbatean, with close ties to another famous Sabbatean, Judah HaChassid.


Judah HaChassid collected a few hundred Sabbateans from across Europe in 1700, and brought them to Eretz Yisrael to await the ‘second coming’ of Shabtai Tzvi / SHACH.

He died very shortly after making aliya, his community of Sabbateans fell into disarray, Shabtai Tzvi / SHACH didn’t ‘rise again’ to rescue them all – and so, the whole ‘Sabbatean’ aspect of that wave of aliya was carefully and systematically hushed up.

The descendants of Judah HaChassid’s Sabbateans formed the backbone of what came to be known as the ‘Old Yishuv’ in the Holy Land.

And don’t forget, that many of the Sephardi families in Eretz Yisrael were also ‘original Sabbateans’, including the Najara family of Gaza, to give one example.

Nathan Ashkenazi of Gaza, Shabtai Tzvi / SHACH’s main ‘prophet’ studied in yeshiva in Jerusalem, and his father was the main ‘shaliach’ to raise funds for the Jews in Israel from Morocco; and of course, the SHACH’s extended family had deep ties all over the Sephardi world, too.

But I digress.


The point is, that this guy who is writing the MAHARAL’s ‘official’ biography and genealogy is a Sabbatean with some sort of vested interest in distorting the facts, 200 years after the events described.

The following snippet comes from his biography on Geni HERE:

Moses Meïr Perles: Rabbinical author; born at Prague 1666; died there March 30, 1739. In the beginning of the eighteenth century he lived at Vienna in the house of Samson Wertheimer, for whom he acted as private secretary and almoner and by whom he was supported even after he had returned to Prague.

We didn’t get to the Wertheimers and the Oppenheimers yet, in this whole saga. But we will, BH.

In the meantime, the researchers Putík and Polakovič turn up a mound of evidence to show that Perles had the education, intellect, access to information and ability to put together a detailed, accurate genealogy of the MAHARAL – but didn’t do that.


Here’s a pertinent screenshot, that sums up the problem:


Long story short, there are a few things these researchers identify about the MAHARAL of Prague, that I didn’t know before.

  • The Maharal was married twice – and Meir Perles’ main aim seems to be to ‘remove’ this first wife of the MAHARAL out of the picture, plus remove the MAHARAL’s grandson, Shmuel.
  • The Maharal and his brother Sinai were widely rumoured to have been ‘illegitimate’ in some way – and these rumours about him, and other leading rabbonim of that time was something that the Maharal himself tried to clamp down on.



  • The Maharal got into a conflict with the wealthy leaders of the kahal, or Jewish community in Prague, particularly over their self-enrichment from acting as the tax farmers over the Jewish population. Later on, he was also arrested (!) and actually spent some time in prison.



  • These ‘Kahal’ leaders initially prevented him from becoming the Chief Rabbi of Prague, as a result of the dispute, so the MAHARAL went to Posen for a while, before returning.


  • There was some sort of ‘scandal’ involving the kabbalistic approach of Israel Sarug and the MAHARAL’s son, Bezalal.

Israel Sarug is the guy who basically ‘stole’ the Arizal’s teachings, and formed his own distorted school of ‘practical kabbalah’ that flowered into many of the Sabbateans I keep writing about here.


Let’s see if we can try to unpick a bit more, what’s really going on.


First, let’s clear up some basic MAHARAL genealogy, set down by these researchers.

The MAHARAL was born in 1512, the youngest of 4 brothers, to his father, Bezalel.

These brothers were called:

  • R’ Hayyim of Friedburg
  • R’ Sinai
  • R’ Samson
  • R’ Lewa – Judah Loew, the Maharal.

This is undisputed, as David Gans wrote their history down in his book Tzemah David.



Hayyim of Friedburg also connects us directly to the REMA, and to his Karaite father-in-law, R Shalom Shakhna:


According to Gans, Bezalel’s brother was ‘Rabbi Jacob of Worms’.

According to the Sabbatean Perels, Bezalel also had another brother called ‘HELMAN’, and Helman and Jacob came to Poland specifically to study with R’ SHLOMO LURIA, the MAHARSHAL.



Here’s ‘TZVI LOEB HELMAN‘ on My Heritage:


See, that he’s married to an ‘unknown’ Treves?

Well, we figured out who that was in THIS post on ‘Forbidden Relationships’:


As well as the Maharsha, R’ Shmuel EIDELES, this also connects the MAHARAL’s uncle, R’ Tzvi HELMAN, with R’ Shlomo Luria, the MAHARSHAL.

(No wonder the MAHARSHAL was trying to shut everyone up, when they were discussing the apparent ‘illegitimacy’ of the MAHARAL…)



And Meir Perles said above, that ‘Helman’ and ‘Jacob of Worms’ came to Poland to study with the MAHARSHAL – he just forgot to mention they were close family.

But the modern researchers say, while ‘Helman’ ‘and ‘Jacob of Worms’ WERE brothers, it’s impossible that Bezalel the father of the MAHARAL was also their brother.

Instead, they say that ‘Jacob of Worms’ (and Helman) were the MAHARAL’s maternal uncles – and that his mum was the daughter of ‘Chaim and Vogele Issenheim’.

Let’s park that side of things for now, and focus in on some other questions.


Question 1: Who was MAHARAL’s first wife?

A: The MAHARAL’s first wife was one ‘Sarah Chayot’, the daughter of R’ ABRAHAM CHAJES / CHAYOT, and the sister of the guy who beat the MAHARAL to become Chief Rabbi of Prague, R’ Yitzhak Chayot (1538-1615).


Abraham Chajes / Chayot was born in Portugal, and so we surmise that he was a ‘converso’ who returned to the Jewish faith, when he landed up in Prague.

His parents are: PINCHAS CHAYES, who marries the daughter of R’ MOSHE EPHRAIM SCHORR (1510-1571) and HANNAH TREVES (1490-1571).

So, now we have a big question, how an outwardly Christian ‘converso’ living in Portugal – under the Inquisition – somehow manages to marry the daughter of people who are meant to be ‘big Jewish rabbis’ in France and Moravia.

Whilst still living in Portugal as an outward ‘Christian’….

Hannah Treves is the sister of ‘Eliezer Treves’, married to Jutta, whose family tree we covered extensively in Forbidden Relationshipswhere we see all those aunts marrying their nephews, in total contradiction to the Torah’s laws.


You see?

There is a lot of very dodgy things going on here, and ‘Jewish-Christians’ are to be found all over the place, with our major rabbinic families.


Question 2: why did the Sabbateans want ‘Sarah Chayot’ out of the picture?

It’s still not so obvious, so I started looking for a direct link to the SHACH / Shabtai Tzvi, himself.

Here’s another screenshot for the descendants of ‘R Yitzhak Chayot, ABD Prague’ – brother of Sarah Chayot, brother-in-law of the MAHARAL, and Chief Rabbi of Prague:


You see he married one Mindel Sax – (who could well be a descendent of the SHRENTZEL / Sachs / Sax family of ‘Jewish-Christians’.)

What we can see from this screenshot, is that Yitzhak Chayes g-grandson, R’ Menachem Manesh Chayot married his aunt.

(We covered this in the Forbidden Relationships post…) and then, apparently married the SHACH / Shabtai Tzvi’s daughter, ‘Esther Tzaddika’.


But is that enough of a reason, for the Sabbatean Meir Perels to go and scrub the MAHARSHAL’s first wife out of the history books?

Given that they were apparently all doing dodgy things like this, in that family tree, it just doesn’t sound we really figured this out yet.

But I’ll leave this here for now.

There are other fish to fry. And when God is ready, I’m sure He’ll send more clues about what was really going on way back when, in Prague.



These screenshots are the official response of the MAHARSHAL, referred to above, from his book Shealot u’Teshuvot.

Responsa 12 talks about the MAHARAL, and quotes Kiddushin 71a extensively.


Here is that specific section about the MAHARAL blown up:


Kiddushin 71 a and b (quoted in part by the MAHARSHAL above) are very interesting.

Long story short, it says that mamzerut was a huge problem in the Jewish community even 2,000 years ago – and that there were very powerful families with very dodgy genealogy in Eretz Yisrael, that it was literally ‘dangerous’ to investigate properly, because they would kill anyone who revealed their illegitimacy…

There is nothing new under the sun.

And Moshiach is really the only one that can fix this problem – and the Gemara says that he will fix the problem, by declaring all mamzers to be ‘pure’.

May it happen soon.


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It’s time to dive back into the murky depths of real Jewish history.

Before we begin, let me explain how I got to the information I’m going to share with you in this post.

After I put up the posts about the Megelah Amukot’s suspected ‘xtian-Jewish’ tendencies, and the post about the SHACH being an increasingly likely candidate for the alter ego of the false messiah Shabtai Tzvi, I decided I had to look a bit further back along the family trees, to figure out what was really going on.

I bought myself some more massive sheets of cartridge paper…. some more pens….and I got to work trying to figure out who are these people’s ancestors?


Very quickly, I understood that the job was going to be easier than I’d first imagined, because THEY ALL JUST MARRIED THEMSELVES.

Over and over again, down at least the last 1,000 years and probably well before that, too.

So, as I drew up the family trees, I kept coming back to the same names, the same people as the ‘progenitors’ of so many of our famous rabbis and leaders. We’ll talk about specifics a little later on.

Then, I started to notice a few more things, like nearly all these ‘progenitors’ seemed to have strange links to ‘Jewish Christians’ – they either converted to xtianity themselves, or married xtians, or had parents who notably converted out. And then sometimes converted back in to Judaism. And then just as often converted ‘out’ again….

And many of these ‘Jewish Christians’ also overlapped with the old Jewish banking families and court Jews.


We’ll get to some names and details shortly, but I first want you to grasp the simple idea that ‘Jewish Christians’ and Court Jews, and rich Jewish bankers, and NEARLY ALL OUR MOST FAMOUS RABBIS – they all issue from exactly the same families.


At the same time, I also noticed another weird, disturbing trend in these ‘progenitor’ families.

According to halacha, it’s permitted for a niece to marry her uncle, and that happened a ton in these families.

But, even before ‘Shabtai Tzvi / SHACH’ showed up and started actively promoting inverse morality amongst his followers, I came across examples of:

Aunts marrying their nephews in these families down the generations – which is an halachically forbidden relationship.


Snippet from HERE:

The prohibition for a man to marry his aunt (and hence a woman to marry her nephew) is De’oraita (Vayikra 18;12-14 has all variations of aunt) while there is no verse in the Torah prohibiting a niece.

Why were they doing that?

I don’t have an answer. Yet. It could be, this was a ‘Karaite / Sadducee’ habit of thumbing their nose at the Torah’s rules. Or, it could be something else.

But one thing I can tell you for sure: It was happening a lot in these families.


So now, let’s dive in with some details.

Let’s begin with the illustrious ‘Treves’ family, whose descendants include people like the Maharsha, Shmuel Eideles; the REMA Moses Isserles, the TAZ, David Halevi Segal, the Megaleh Amukot, Natan Nata Shapiro – and of course, the SHACH and his wife, Yenta.

The story begins when I started trying to track down the ancestors of the ‘Megaleh Amukot’, Natan Nata Shapiro, to see if there was anything in his background that could suggest why he might have developed ‘Jewish Christian’ tendencies.

At that stage, I went back to the ‘first Shapira of Speyer’, someone called R’ Samuel Zalman Shapira of Speyer.

(The surname Shapiro / Shapira / Spiro / Spira derives from the town of “Speyer”.)

I sat down to do his basic family tree.


Very quickly on one piece of cartridge paper, I had a veritable ‘who’s who’ of the Jewish world.

There was Josel of Rosheim – ‘King of the Jews’, court banker and person suspected of ritual murders.

There was the ‘De Bonne’ family, AKA Stadthagens, AKA known-Sabbatean-Frankists-with-Jewish-Christian connections, GOLDSCHMIDTS.

There was Shabtai Tzvi / SHACH and his wife Yenta, the great, great granddaughter of the REMA.

And of course, the Megaleh Amukot and his problematic, incest-and-pedophilia-promoting descendant Jonathan Eybshutz.


And if that wasn’t enough, I also tripped over the first ‘Bacharach’ who started calling himself ‘Rothschild’.

He was Isaac Rothschild, who married one Keile Oppenheim.

His father, ‘Elchanan Bacharach z. Roten Schild’ was a first cousin of none other than the SHACH / Shabtai Tzvi.

(The Shach’s father, Meir HaCohen Katz Ashkenazi, had a sister Esther, who married ‘Isaac Elchanan Bacharach’. Esther and Isaac’s son is ‘Elchanan Bacharach z. Roten Schild, progenitor of the the known Sabbatean-Frankist Rothschilds.)


A long time ago, I was looking up stuff about ‘Shabtai Tzvi’ and the Rothschilds on Clifford Shack’s site HERE.

He had a picture gallery where he was saying that so many of the early Rothschilds seemed to bear a striking resemblance to false messiah Shabtai Tzvi.

Here’s a couple of screenshots:

Once you understand that Shabtai Tzvi = SHACH, and that the SHACH was the first cousin of Elchanan Bacharach Roten Schild, a lot more of those pieces start to fall into place.


So anyway, that first family tree really showed me that nearly all these people are mamash close family.

But I was still fishing for some more explicit ‘Jewish-Christian’, or ‘Jewish-Templars’, or ‘Jewish-Cathars’ link ups.

So I decided to go back even further.

R’ Samuel Zalman Shapira of Speyer was married to someone called Julia Minna Vergentlin TREVES.

So, I started doing the TREVES family tree – and that’s when I realised just how incestuous all this really is.

So many people are related to one couple in particular, called ‘ELIEZER and JUTTA TREVES’.


Here’s a photo of that particular bit of the family tree:


I know you can’t see much, but I want you to understand that the ‘findings’ I type up her are based on the information these trees help me put together.

First, let’s cover off some of the ‘aunts marrying nephews’ stuff – the obviously forbidden relationships, according to the Torah.

In this tree alone, we see that:

  • Aharon Luria (‘the first Luria’) marries his aunt, Miriam Spira.

His grand-daughter is Dreizel Miriam Zeisel Luria – the REMA‘s maternal grandmother – who marries one Eliezer Lipman SHRENTZELS.

(We’ll get to the Jewish-Christian Shrentzels in a minute.)

Aharon Luria’s great-grandson is none other than R’ Shlomo Luria, the MAHARSHAL.


When there were ‘rumours’ that so many of the leading rabbis of the middle ages were actually products of illegitimate relationships – including the Maharal of Prague and his brother! – the MAHARSHAL put out a statement saying that people should stop spreading these ‘nadler’ calmunies.

Screenshot from HERE:

As usual, we are seeing with hindsight that there was way more to the illegitimacy / nadler ‘rumours’ than official history is letting on.


Further back in the tree, we find this:

  • R’ Moshe Gershon Altshuler (Ebereles) married his aunt, Chana TREVES.

R’ Moshe Gershon  Altshuler (Ebereles)’s great-grandson is that same Eliezer Lipmann SHRENTZEL we saw above, the grandfather of the REMA.

Now, the REMA has ‘illegitimacy’ streaming down two sides of his family tree.

And the same ‘aunt-nephew’ pattern also continued going forward, in the REMA’s extended family.


You remember from HERE, we figured out that that REMA’s second wife Golda actually came from the ‘Karaite’ family of R’ Shalom Shachna (HaKohen) Kahana (Kohen Tzedek) of Lublin.

Golda’s brother, R’ Israel Shachna (aka R’ Israel Charif from Lublin) had a daughter, Rivka, who married one ‘Naftali Tzvi Hirsch Shor, ABD Brisk and Lublin’.

His daughter, Reisel Schor, marries her nephew, Israel Meisels.

Israel Meisels is the son of Reisel’s brother, Avraham Chaim Shor.

Israel Meisels’ brother is Simcha Bunim Meisels, the ABD of Krakow, who marries…. Dreizel, the daughter of the REMA.

It’s a small world.


Ok, now let’s a take closer look at some of the ‘Christian-Jewish’ stuff going on in the REMA’s family tree.

So very many of the ‘leading lights’ in the Ashkenazi Rabbinic world apparently descend from the SHRENTZEL family, that we’ve mentioned above.

Where did this ‘SHRENTZEL’ family come from?

That was the question.


Let me introduce you to:

Emerich Szerencsés (also known as Fortunatus; died August 1526) was deputy treasurer of the Kingdom of Hungary and a Jewish convert to Christianity.

Here’s a bit more from the Hungarian Cyclowiki page HERE:

Here’s another brief snippet, from Wikipedia (which is written like hagiography):

He was baptised by Ladislaus Szalkai, Archbishop of Grau, and took the baptismal name Emerich after his sponsor Emerich Perényi, Palatine of Hungary. His wife and his sons Abraham and Ephraim remained practising Jews.

After his conversion he was appointed deputy treasurer, using his position to send coded letters warning Hungarian Jews on imminent persecution, to secure the revocation of the expulsion of the Jews from Prague and to save a Jewish man and woman who had been condemned to death by fire.


That’s all the ‘good news’.

In reality, ‘Emerich Szerencses’ (Solomon Gluck SHRENTZEL’) was caught embezzling huge amounts of money, and his actions subsequently led to the Jewish Ghetto in Ofen being sacked by furious Hungarians.

This comes from the Jewish Encyclopaedia, HERE:

The nobility of the realm, headed by Stephan Verböczi, accused Szerencsés of being the cause of the financial embarrassment of the country; and some of the members of the Diet of 1525 even demanded that he be burned at the stake.

Szerencsés, indeed, had been grossly negligent in his official duties, and, in common with many of the most respected noblemen of the time, had made free use of the state’s money.

He was therefore imprisoned by King Louis II., whose favorite he had been, but was released shortly afterward. On the adjournment of the Diet servants of the nobles, reenforced by the rabble, attacked and plundered his home, and he escaped the rage of the populace only by flight.

At the same time the mob stormed the ghetto, and seized all the valuables belonging to the Jews.


Back on Cyclowiki, we’re told that he deliberately debased the coins in Hungary by 50%, and was actually burnt at the stake for his crimes.

(Is this a good time to remind us all that the Karaite-Khazars were also in charge of the royal mints, wherever they seemed to go?)


What happened to the Jewish-Christian ‘SHRENTZEL’ family?

His descendants adopted the name of Sachs.

Of course, we don’t know if that also included his two non-Jewish sons from his Christian girlfriend. (You’ll recall that most Karaites hold that Jewish descent is decided patrilineally, via the man…)

But before that happened, they also intermarried with a whole bunch of other dodgy Court Jews whose family members had ‘become Christian’ so they could carry on whispering in the ear of royalty, including the descendants of:

R’ Akiva HaKohen Katz  of Uban – (AKA John Ernuszt) – ancestor of Shabtai Tzvi / SHACH, amongst many other ‘big rabbis’.

R’ Moshe Fiszel (also accused of extortion in collecting tax from the Jewish community in 1499). Remember, one of his sons converted out and became ‘Stefan Fiszel Powidzk H. Korab‘, while another son Ephraim / Franczek Fiszel, had a son Moshe, who was burnt at the stake over accusations of ritual murder.

Ephraim / Franczek Fiszel was apparently married to Valentina LURIA – daughter of the MAHARSHAL, Shlomo Luria, who wrote that whole thing telling everyone to stop ‘spreading lies’ about the rabbis’ impeccable yichus.

It’s a small world.


A few more ‘forbidden relationships’, in this post, and then we’ll wrap it up for now.

I don’t want your brains to explode!

Back on that ‘ELIEZER and JUTTA TREVES’ family tree, we see this:

  • Daughter CHAVA TREVES marries YITZHAK SCHRENTZEL – and their descendants include the REMA, a bunch of ‘Ephraim Fischels’, a bunch of SHORs, and Yenta, wife of Shabtai Tzvi / SHACH. And CHAIM of VOLOZHIN.


  • Daughter CHANA YONA marries R’ ZVI HELMAN – and their grandson is the MAHARSHA, R Shmuel Eliezer HaLevi Eideles. In turn, the MAHARSHA‘s grandson is the MEGALEH AMUKOT, Natan Nata Shapiro, and his great-grandson is JONATHAN EYBSHUTZ.


  • Un-named daughter marries R’ SHLOMO ZALMAN HALEVI (STEINBERGER), and their grandson is the TAZ, David Halevi Segal. The TAZ’s grandchildren include R’ ELIEZER LIPPMAN HEILPRIN, who marries MARGOLA SHOR – the probable mother of false messiah JACOB FRANK. And R’ Eliezer’s brother, ‘R’ JOEL HEILPRIN BAAL SHEM OF ZAMOSCH‘ – aka, Avraham Shmuel Chaim Falk, the ‘bad Baal Shem’ of London, Jacob Frank’s father-in-law, and founder of the satanic ‘Order of the Golden Dawn.’ (More TAZ descendants include the wife of the Alter Rebbe of Chabad….)


  • Son R’ NAFTALI HIRSCH TREVES has two daughters. One marries R’ SHMUEL ISH-ZVI ASHKENAZI BAK, and they have a son, R’ CHAIM ISH ZVI (of Kremenitz) – who again marries his aunt, Naftali Hirsh’s other daughter. Their son is SHMUEL SHMELKE ZAK, whose son Aharon marries the SHACH’s daughter, Tova. Their descendants include CHAIM of VOLOZHIN.


  • Meanwhile, another son of R’ SHMUEL ISH-ZVI ASHKENAZI BAK is R’ YAAKOV KOPPEL ASHKENAZI, who marries SAREL MEISELS – the REMA’s grand-daughter, via Simcha Bunim Meisels, mentioned above. (Simcha’s brother Israel Meisels marries his aunt, Reisel Shor….)


What can we learn from this?

A lot.

Not least, that those families who became ‘notable Sabbateans’, and then later on, devolved even further down into ‘notable Frankists’, appear to descend from a bunch of ‘Jewish-Christians’ with the anti-Torah (possibly Sadducee/Karaite) habit of marrying nephews to aunts.

And their descendants are still controlling nearly all the bits of the the secular and religious Jewish world today.

And personally, I don’t think that’s a CO-IN-CID-ENCE.




I went back to check more of the SHACH / Shabtai Tzvi’s descendants, as I remembered seeing some ‘nephews marrying aunts’ stuff there, too.


THIS is a screenshot for a discussion around Menachem Meinish Chayot / Chajes of Vilna, who apparently also married his own aunt.


His great grandson and namesake married the SHACH’s daughter, ‘Esther HaTzaddika’.


Apparently, so many of our ‘biggest rabbis’ didn’t care a hoot, that they were marrying into families of mamzers.

This is mind-boggling.

And it suggests that the thesis that the Jewish Community got ‘hijacked’ by fake Jews (Sadducee-Karaite-Christian-Ekesaite-Khazars???) long before Shabtai Tzvi / SHACH came along is increasingly looking like a credible idea.



Here are more of the ‘Real Jewish History’ posts, to give you more background: